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Postby The Original BJ » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:20 pm

HarryGoldfarb wrote:What I still don't understand (or don't like - don't consider it fair) is the actual impact of an Academy Award. By the end of last year, Brokeback was almost a cult film, the film everyone was talking about and it didn't feel like a trend, people were saying they were affected by it while people (the few ones) that actually had seen Crash consider it an ok film with "a great script". Now, as time goes by, Crash is being considered more and more as "such a great film" and no one talks about Brokeback except for few mentions and now it seems ok to make believe you don't remember it and to refer to it like "what was that? the gay cowboys film?". I'm talking about my experience here in Venezuela.

This is an EXCELLENT (and very sad) observation. You can hardly pick up Variety or The Hollywood Reporter without hearing mention of Crash and Oscar. Brokeback? Hardly a word gets written about that film anymore. It's sad to say, but close really doesn't count with Oscar. I think of it this way: Brokeback Mountain had the Oscar from about the Venice Festival (and definitely from the NY/LA crix awards) until Oscar night. Crash has the Oscar from then until eternity.

Of course Brokeback will be remembered even without that trophy. But Crash will ALWAYS have a very prominent (though dubious) platform because of its victory.

Man, has an Oscar victory ever stung this much?? I really need to get over this . . .

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Postby HarryGoldfarb » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:30 pm

dws1982 wrote:Best Actress:
1- Q'Orianka Kilcher, The New World
2- S. Epatha Merkerson, Lackawanna Blues
3- Emanuelle Devos, Kings and Queen
4- Maria Bello, A History of Violence
5- Dina Korzun, Forty Shades of Blue

Why are you guys considering Lackawanna Blues in this poll? wasn't it a made-for-tv movie?

Recently I saw A History of Violence and I'm still amazed with the quality of the films and performances in competition last year. Fiennes, Bana and even Mortensen could have easily got a nod in any other year for their great great performances (actually, as usual, it is a shame the final result, the winner I mean). Only the actresses were almost weak as a whole with few exceptions (the non-nominated Bello comes to mind inmediatly). Still have to see The New World. Right now I'm a little bit skeptical considering my experience with The Thin Red Line wich I just don't like.

What I still don't understand (or don't like - don't consider it fair) is the actual impact of an Academy Award. By the end of last year, Brokeback was almost a cult film, the film everyone was talking about and it didn't feel like a trend, people were saying they were affected by it while people (the few ones) that actually had seen Crash consider it an ok film with "a great script". Now, as time goes by, Crash is being considered more and more as "such a great film" and no one talks about Brokeback except for few mentions and now it seems ok to make believe you don't remember it and to refer to it like "what was that? the gay cowboys film?". I'm talking about my experience here in Venezuela.

Academy doesn't know the hurt it made to itself and to movie history. It is a lie that "no one remembers who won last year, least of all ten years ago". Maybe we are the minority that tries hard to get all the info on academy and movie history but the film that gets the title of "Best Picture of the Year" becomes a cultural statement of its time (with very few exceptions). Now 2005 could have been the year when the Academy made history by giving its biggest award to the first gay-oriented nominated film but instead it is... well what it is...

From the nominees, Munich was the one that impressed me the most but as a cultural statement, and a necessary one, Brokeback should have won, no matter how hard we look among stranger-more rare-hard to find-so-called-cultural options. A film with both popular, comercial and critics success and with cultural resonance should have been the best of the year.

(Note: Know my english is getting lousier every time I write down. Sorry in advance).
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Postby The Original BJ » Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:58 pm

How wonderful to see someone else finally recognize Sonia Bergamasco's outstanding performance in The Best of Youth. IMO, it was 2005's most underrated performance; I didn't expect awards for this lower-profile film, but she couldn't even score a single vote in the Village Voice poll, even when her costars did.

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Postby dws1982 » Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:05 am

Best Film:
1- The New World (Terrence Malick)
2- The Best of Youth (Marco Tullio Giordana)
3- Munich (Steven Spielberg)
4- The Beat That My Heart Skipped (Jacques Audiard)
5- The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada (Tommy Lee Jones)
6- Cache (Michael Haneke)
7- The White Diamond (Werner Herzog)
8- Millions (Danny Boyle)
9- Murderball (Henry Alex Rubin, Dana Adam Shapiro)
10- Kings and Queen (Arnaud Depleschin)

Runners-Up are in the films of 2005 Top Ten List thread.

Best Director:
1- Terrence Malick, The New World
2- Steven Spielberg, Munich
3- Marco Tullio Giordana, The Best of Youth
4- Jacques Audiard, The Beat That My Heart Skipped
5- Tommy Lee Jones, The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada

Best Actor:
1- Romain Duris, The Beat That My Heart Skipped
2- Damian Lewis, Keane
3- Tommy Lee Jones, The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada
4- Bruno Ganz, Downfall
5- David Strathairn, Good Night and Good Luck.
Tip of the hat to Luigi Lo Cascio, Joaquin Phoenix, James McAvoy, Barry Pepper, Heath Ledger, Mathieu Amalric Eric Bana, and Idris Elba, many of whom would've won in any other year.

Best Actress:
1- Q'Orianka Kilcher, The New World
2- S. Epatha Merkerson, Lackawanna Blues
3- Emanuelle Devos, Kings and Queen
4- Maria Bello, A History of Violence
5- Dina Korzun, Forty Shades of Blue

Best Supporting Actor:
1- Jeff Daniels, The Squid and the Whale
2- Alessio Boni, The Best of Youth
3- Ciaran Hinds, Munich
4- Ray Wise, Good Night, and Good Luck.
5- Michael Lonsdale, Munich
Daniels in Support is kind of an opportunistic placement, since I think an equal case could be made for him as Lead. But that category is an embarassment of riches--although he would've placed in that category too--so I'll put him here.

Best Supporting Actress:
1- Romola Garai, Rory O'Shea Was Here
2- Adriana Asti, The Best of Youth
3- Corinna Harfouch, Downfall
4- Laura Linney, The Squid and the Whale
5- Sonia Bergamosco, The Best of Youth

Best Ensemble:
1- Munich
2- Downfall
3- The Best of Youth

Best Original Screenplay:
1- The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada
2- Millions
3- Cache
4- The Best of Youth
5- The Squid and the Whale

Best Adapted Screenplay:
1- Munich
2- Downfall
3- The Beat That My Heart Skipped
4- Lackawanna Blues
5- The Constant Gardener

Best Cinematography:
1- The New World
2- The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada
3- Millions
4- Forty Shades of Blue
5- Sometimes In April

Best Editing:
1- Munich
2- The New World
3- The Beat That My Heart Skipped
4- The Best of Youth
5- Cache

Best Score:
1- Munich
2- Sometimes In April
3- Millions
4- Forty Shades of Blue
5- The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada
The New World had the best use of music, but most of the mileage was from Wagner and Mozart, although the music in the scene where John Smith visits Pocahontas in England and following that (up until the final sequence of Rolfe reading the letter to his son) is lovely, and I think it's actually Horner's music. It deserves a shout-out at least.

Best Art Direction:
1- The New World
2- Downfall
3- 2046
4- Good Night, and Good Luck.
5- Cache

Best Costume Design:
1- Munich
2- The New World
3- 2046
4- Kingdom of Heaven
5- Lackawanna Blues

Best Sound:
1- The New World
2- The Beat That My Heart Skipped
3- War of the Worlds
4- Munich
5- Good Night, and Good Luck.

Best Visual Effects:
1- War of the Worlds
2- Land of the Dead
3- Munich

Best Makeup:
1- Land of the Dead
2- The New World
3- The Chronicles of Narnia - The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe

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Postby criddic3 » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:51 pm

Hopefully soon I'll be done with 2005, completing Foreign nominees and moving on to 2006. I can't believe I haven't finished yet. It's already mid-August.
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Postby Precious Doll » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:45 am

I've updated my 2005 picks again.

Best Actor: Out with Jeremie Reinier for The Child and in with Jose Garcia in Costa-Gavras' best film in years, The Ax.

Best Supporting Actor: Out with Steve Martin in Shopgirl. In with Michael Kelly for Loggerheads.

Best Supporting Actress: Out with Shirley Henderson for Yes and Bertha Ruiz for Battle in Heaven. In with Tess Harper & Bonnie Hunt, both for Loggerheads, giving the sorts of performances that would have earned them nominations in the 70's or 80's but not these days when smaller films from small companies (in this case Strand) get completely overlooked.
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Postby criddic3 » Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:21 pm

I think Keaton wasn't nominated because her film wasn't that good, rather than for the placement of her category. Bello could reasonably be included in either category, depending on what argument you use.
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Postby Mack Ten » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:27 pm

Picture

Brokeback Mountain
Cache
The Constant Gardener
Good Night and Good Luck
A History of Violence
Kings and Queen
Match Point
Pride & Prejudice
The Squid and the Whale
Syriana

Best Director

David Cronenberg … A History of Violence *
Michael Haneke … Cache
Ang Lee … Brokeback Mountain
Fernando Mereilles … The Constant Gardener
Christopher Nolan … Batman Begins

Best Supporting Actor

George Clooney … Syriana
Clifton Collins Jr. … Capote *
Jesse Eisenberg … The Squid and the Whale ^
Bruno Ganz … Downfall
Campbell Scott ... The Dying Gaul

Best Supporting Actress

Amy Adams … Junebug
Maria Bello … A History of Violence ^
Juliette Binoche … Cache
Laura Linney … The Squid and the Whale *
Rachel Weisz … The Constant Gardener

Best Actor

Mathieu Amalric … Kings and Queen *
Jeff Daniels … The Squid and the Whale
Terrence Howard … Hustle & Flow
Heath Ledger … Brokeback Mountain ^
David Strathairn … Good Night and Good Luck

Best Actress

Toni Collette … In Her Shoes
Felicity Huffman … Transamerica ^
Keira Knightley … Pride & Prejudice
S. Epatha Merkerson … Lackawanna Blues *
Liv Ullmann … Saraband




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Postby Hollywood Z » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:36 pm

Best Picture:

Batman Begins
Crash
Good Night and Good Luck
King Kong
**Munich**


Director:

Peter Jackson; King Kong
Ang Lee; Brokeback Mountain
Christopher Nolan; Batman Begins
Robert Rodriguez; Sin City
**Steven Spielberg; Munich**


Actor:

Christian Bale; Batman Begins
Steve Carrell; The 40-Year Old Virgin
Philip Seymour Hoffman; Capote
Terrence Howard; Hustle & Flow
**Joaquin Phoenix; Walk the Line**


Actress:

Joan Allen; The Upside of Anger
Judi Dench; Mrs. Henderson Presents
Keira Knightly; Pride and Prejudice
Naomi Watts; King Kong
**Reese Witherspoon; Walk the Line**


Supporting Actor:

**Michael Caine; Batman Begins**
Matt Dillon; Crash
Jake Gyllenhaal; Brokeback Mountain
Terrence Howard; Crash
Mickey Rourke; Sin City


Supporting Actress:

Amy Adams; Junebug
Maria Bello; A History of Violence
Thandie Newton; Crash
**Rachel Weisz; The Constant Gardener**
Michelle Williams; Brokeback Mountain


Adapted Screenplay:

Batman Begins
The Constant Gardener
A History of Violence
King Kong
**Munich**


Original Screenplay:

Cinderella Man
**Crash**
The 40 Year Old Virgin
Good Night and Good Luck
The Squid and the Whale


Song:

"In the Deep"; Crash
**"It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp"; Hustle & Flow**
"So Long and Thanks for All the Fish"; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
"There's Nothing Like a Show on Broadway"; The Producers
"Travelin' Thru"; Transamerica


Score:

Batman Begins
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe
**King Kong**
Munich
Pride and Prejudice


Cinematography:

Batman Begins
Good Night and Good Luck
**Memoirs of a Geisha**
Munich
Sin City


Film Editing:

Batman Begins
The Constant Gardener
Crash
**Munich**
Walk the Line


Costume Design:

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Good Night and Good Luck
**Memoirs of a Geisha**
Mrs. Henderson Presents
Pride and Prejudice


Art Direction:

Batman Begins
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Good Night and Good Luck
**King Kong**
Memoirs of a Geisha


Sound:

**Batman Begins**
King Kong
Munich
Sin City
Walk the Line


Sound Effects:

**Batman Begins**
King Kong
War of the Worlds


Make-Up:

The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe
**Sin City**
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith


Visual Effects:

Batman Begins
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe
**King Kong**
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
War of the Worlds
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Postby Mister Tee » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:15 pm

I'll agree, too. Though I thought the film flattened out in the last reel (getting a bit too close to the type of film it had been sending up), for much of the way it was terrifically breezy fun that had both my wife and me laughing out loud. I'd never have believed Kilmer had such comic gifts; his line readings were funny throughout.

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Postby Big Magilla » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:48 pm

Agreed.
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Postby 99-1100896887 » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:41 pm

I don't recall anyone saying anything about the screenwriting in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang ! What a delightful treat to see Kilmer in this kind of role. The screenplay was what used to be called "snappy" and the film deserved more attention, we thought. What say you?

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Postby Precious Doll » Mon May 08, 2006 3:40 am

It's time for an update:

Best Film

Battle in Heaven
Brokeback Mountain
**Mysterious Skin
Palindromes
Sun, The

Best Director

**Gregg Araki for Mysterious Skin
Ang Lee for Brokeback Mountain
Carlos Reygadas for Battle in Heaven
Aleksandr Sokurov for The Sun
Todd Solondz for Palindromes

Best Actor

Ralph Fiennes for The Constant Gardener
Jose Garcia for The Ax
**Joseph Gordon-Hewitt for Mysterious Skin
Heath Ledger for Brokeback Mountain
Melvil Poupand for Time to Leave

Best Actress

**Claire Danes for Shopgirl
Vera Farmiga for Down to the Bone
Julia Jentsch for Sophie Scholl – The Final Days
Fanny Valette for Little Jerusalem
Rachel Weisz for The Constant Gardener

Best Supporting Actor

Guillaunme Canet for Hell
Danny Huston for The Constant Gardener
**Michael Kelly for Loggerheads
Bill Nighy for The Constant Gardener
Jason Ritter for Happy Endings

Best Supporting Actress

**Ellen Barkin for Palindromes
Tess Harper for Loggerheads
Amanda Henderson for I am a Sex Addict
Bonnie Hunt for Loggerheads
Lisa Long for Mysterious Skin
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Postby criddic3 » Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:03 am

I wonder if it even matters really, but thecritic, last year's Star Wars was subtitled "Revenge of the Sith." Not "Attack of the Clones."
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Postby the critic » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:42 pm

PICTURE
****Brokeback Mountain****
Good Night, and Good Luck
Match Point
Munich
The New World

DIRECTOR
****Ang Lee - Brokeback Mountain****
George Clooney - Good Night, and Good Luck
Woody Allen - Match Point
Steven Spielberg - Munich
Terrence Malick - The New World

ACTOR
Jeff Daniels - The Squid and the Whale
Ralph Fiennes - The Constant Gardener
****Philip Seymur Hoffman - Capote****
Heath Ledger - Brokeback Mountain
Viggo Mortenson - A History of Violence

ACTRESS
****Joan Allen - The Upside of Anger****
Q'Orianka Kilcher - The New World
Keira Knightley - Pride and Prejudice
Naomi Watts - King Kong
Reese Witherspoon - Walk the Line

SUPPORTING ACTOR
****Kevin Costner - The Upside of Anger****
Matt Dillon - Crash
Jesse Eisenberg - The Squid and the Whale
Jake Gyllenhaal - Brokeback Mountain
Donald Sutherland - Pride and Prejudice

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
****Maria Bello - A History of Violence****
Scarlett Johansson - Match Point
Rachel Weisz - The Constant Gardener
Michelle Williams - Brokeback Mountain
Zhang Ziyi - 2046

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
****Good Night, and Good Luck****
Match Point
Saraband
The Squid and the Whale
Wallace and Gromit in the Curse of the Were-Rabbit

ADAPTAD SCREENPLAY
****Brokeback Mountain****
Capote
A History of Violence
King Kong
Munich

CINEMATOGRAPHY
2046
****Brokeback Mountain****
Good Night, and Good Luck
Munich
The New World

EDITION
Brokeback Mountain
The Constant Gardener
King Kong
****Munich****
War of the Worlds

ART DIRECTION
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Good Night, and Good Luck
****King Kong****
The New World
Pride and Prejudice

COSTUME
2046
King Kong
Memoirs of a Geisha
****The New World****
Pride and Prejudice

MAKE-UP
Land of the Dead
Memoirs of a Geisha
****Sin City****

ORIGINAL SCORE
Brokeback Mountain
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
King Kong
Memoirs of a Geisha
****Munich****

SOUND
Batman Begins
****King Kong****
Land of the Dead
The New World
Wor of the Worlds

SOUND EDITING
****King Kong****
Star Wars Episode III - Attack of the Clones
War of the Worlds

FX
****King Kong****
Star Wars Episode III - Attack of the Clones
War of the Worlds

FOREIGN FILM
2046
Cache
Dawnfall
Kings and Queen
****Saraband****


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