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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby mlrg » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:05 am

ksrymy wrote:At least Lawrence actually acted in her film. Nyong'o's performance is awful and on the line of campy. "I stinks so bad ah makes mahself gag" is girl power 2013 at its worst. Squibb and Hawkins are the only ones who deserve winning, let alone a nomination.


THIS


Reza wrote:Ditto Lupita. A win for her would merely be the Academy trying to look good.


AND THIS!!!

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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby Reza » Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:59 am

jack wrote:ksrymy, do you have any comprehension of history? 12 Years a Salve was not attempting to make a feminist point. The fact that you were looking for "girl power" clearly indicates that you have no idea what this film was about. Lupita Nyong'o's performance is as close to an accurate depiction of a young black slave that we've ever had on screen. Let's respect that.

Full disclosure, I haven't seen Roots, so if I'm wrong keep it to yourself......


Well then you need to run and see Roots and you will understand why Slaves is pretty old hat and mere vinegar in old wine bottles. Ditto Lupita. A win for her would merely be the Academy trying to look good.

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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby jack » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:41 pm

ksrymy, do you have any comprehension of history? 12 Years a Salve was not attempting to make a feminist point. The fact that you were looking for "girl power" clearly indicates that you have no idea what this film was about. Lupita Nyong'o's performance is as close to an accurate depiction of a young black slave that we've ever had on screen. Let's respect that.

Full disclosure, I haven't seen Roots, so if I'm wrong keep it to yourself......

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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby ksrymy » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:23 pm

jack wrote:
Eric wrote:
Big Magilla wrote:Lupita Nyong'o should and will win for both her amazing debut performance and as tribute to all the real life Patseys who never had a chance.

... to win an Oscar?


Yes. I don't think Patsy Kensit ever won an Oscar. Or Patsy from Absolutely Fabulous.

But enough of the hilarious nonsense. Lupita Nyong'o deserves whole-heartedly to win the Oscar. I will actually be angry if Jennifer Lawrence wins. I know it won't be her fault if she does, but a win for Lawrence will somehow seem like greed to me.

At least Lawrence actually acted in her film. Nyong'o's performance is awful and on the line of campy. "I stinks so bad ah makes mahself gag" is girl power 2013 at its worst. Squibb and Hawkins are the only ones who deserve winning, let alone a nomination.
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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby jack » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:55 pm

Eric wrote:
Big Magilla wrote:Lupita Nyong'o should and will win for both her amazing debut performance and as tribute to all the real life Patseys who never had a chance.

... to win an Oscar?


Yes. I don't think Patsy Kensit ever won an Oscar. Or Patsy from Absolutely Fabulous.

But enough of the hilarious nonsense. Lupita Nyong'o deserves whole-heartedly to win the Oscar. I will actually be angry if Jennifer Lawrence wins. I know it won't be her fault if she does, but a win for Lawrence will somehow seem like greed to me.

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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby mlrg » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:49 pm

Eric wrote:
Big Magilla wrote:Lupita Nyong'o should and will win for both her amazing debut performance and as tribute to all the real life Patseys who never had a chance.

... to win an Oscar?


lololol :D

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Postby Big Magilla » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:48 pm

Eric wrote:
Big Magilla wrote:Lupita Nyong'o should and will win for both her amazing debut performance and as tribute to all the real life Patseys who never had a chance.

... to win an Oscar?

A chance to escape the horror of their lives.
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Postby Eric » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:22 pm

Big Magilla wrote:Lupita Nyong'o should and will win for both her amazing debut performance and as tribute to all the real life Patseys who never had a chance.

... to win an Oscar?

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Postby Big Magilla » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:19 pm

I basically agree with everything dws said in the initial post in this thread.

I'm sorry but I've never been a big fan of Julia Roberts, but at least her prior nominations made some sense. This one is a waste of a nomination that should have gone to Octavia Spencer who would have had a much better shot had she not won two years ago.

Jennifer Lawrence is the best thing about American Hustle and would be a much stronger candidate had she not won last year.

June Squibb is amusing, but there's no way they would give her an Oscar and not give Bruce Dern one as well and that's not likely to happen.

Sally Hawkins' character in Blue Jasmine is more honest and real than Cate Blanchett's and I would love to see her win and Blanchett lose but that's not going to happen either.

Lupita Nyong'o should and will win for both her amazing debut performance and as tribute to all the real life Patseys who never had a chance.
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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby rolotomasi99 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:22 pm

flipp525 wrote:In re-watching Sally Hawkins' performance last week in Blue Jasmine, I was struck by how assured she is throughout the film. How committed. Even during the first scene she shares with Blanchett, she cautiously telegraphs what has already occurred between the two characters in the past and doesn't even give it away. She constantly displays a kind of intuitive knowledge of people that her sister so clearly lacks. "You know her, too? Boy [Raylene] gets around." It's a really wonderful performance and the Academy gets a lot of credit for recognizing it.


I am hoping for a Marcia Gay Harden type shocker for Hawkins. Much like Blanchett, Hawkins could have gone over-the-top with the role easily, but she played it so realistically.
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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby flipp525 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:20 pm

I mostly just said that to be provocative. It's the only way people respond to my posts these days.

It's sort of true though. I mean, I can't think of another reason why someone (not you, per se) would claim that all they saw the actress do on-screen was flail about while they were being whipped. It seems about as logical an explanation as any.
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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby mlrg » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:11 pm

flipp525 wrote:
mlrg wrote:As I’ve written in other posts, I think Lupita gives the weakest performance of the four that I’ve seen (still haven’t seen Nebraska). But she will eventually win.

Weaker than Julia Roberts? Well, there goes your credibility.

I'm not going to get into a debate (again) with the posters who somehow came away from the film thinking that all N'yongo did in it was scream while she was getting whipped. You obviously just saw what you wanted to see (not the actual performance, but the performance in your own head) and are also, most likely, a little bit racist (yep, sorry, I went there).


Well, the extent of your own credibility excels everyone else's credibility I presume, specially with the fact that you consider someone that doesn't like her performance as being a racist. It's a clear description of your concept of tolerance there.

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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby Eric » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:36 pm

A highly interesting analysis: http://www.fandor.com/keyframe/oscars-2 ... ng-actress

The conclusion he reaches is that Hawkins is doing a great deal more than people might realize, and indeed deserves serious consideration as the most deserving winner (though, admittedly, least likely). He also ranks the two frontrunners as the least deserving (which, if you follow Lee's writings elsewhere on the recent works of Russell, is really saying something).

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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby ksrymy » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:48 pm

Reza wrote:Before getting lost along the way this category was originally created to honor the likes of the Fay Bainters, the Hattie McDaniels, the Anne Reveres, the Ethel Barrymores and yes, the June Squibbs.

Nebraska deserves wins in a number of categories but it would be great to see June Squibb grab the gold.

She's easily the most deserving nominee, and she's the only one other than Lawrence that I would nominate.
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Re: Categories One-By-One: Supporting Actress

Postby flipp525 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:43 pm

mlrg wrote:As I’ve written in other posts, I think Lupita gives the weakest performance of the four that I’ve seen (still haven’t seen Nebraska). But she will eventually win.

Weaker than Julia Roberts? Well, there goes your credibility.

I'm not going to get into a debate (again) with the posters who somehow came away from the film thinking that all N'yongo did in it was scream while she was getting whipped. You obviously just saw what you wanted to see (not the actual performance, but the performance in your own head) and are also, most likely, a little bit racist (yep, sorry, I went there).

Jennifer Lawrence would most certainly be the anointed one in this category if she hadn't won so recently. She steals every scene she's in in American Hustle and is really, very funny in it. This nomination just shows the extent of her range. I think we'll be seeing her nominated many, many more times down the road. Her versatility and likability are two feathers in a very talented acting cap. Look for her to win a second or even third Oscar further on in her career. Just not this year.

In re-watching Sally Hawkins' performance last week in Blue Jasmine, I was struck by how assured she is throughout the film. How committed. Even during the first scene she shares with Blanchett, she cautiously telegraphs what has already occurred between the two characters in the past and doesn't even give it away. She constantly displays a kind of intuitive knowledge of people that her sister so clearly lacks. "You know her, too? Boy [Raylene] gets around." It's a really wonderful performance and the Academy gets a lot of credit for recognizing it.

June Squibb's spicy performance is an absolute hoot in Nebraska (yes, dws, that scene at the graveyard is iconic). Remember how she was the woman whose husband had three testicles in In and Out? I see her in a very strong third place position. As I mentioned some weeks ago, she could end up as a third party beneficiary for voters unable to commit to Lawrence because of too-much-too-soon syndrome and N'yongo who some might feel is too fresh to be awarded this soon in her career.

My bet though is, as it has been since I saw 12 Years a Slave, on Lupita. An astonishing breakthrough performance.
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