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Postby Big Magilla » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:33 pm

Mister Tee wrote:The reference to Dumbo here is unclear: are they just saying the name Jim Crow is offensive, or do they mean the entire "When I See an Elephant Fly" scene? If the latter...I'm sure it comes off a bit minstrel-y today, but it's a rollicking number -- by far my favorite part of the movie when I was a kid -- and censoring it is something I think comes closer to trying to wipe out the past because it doesn't conform to contemporary norms.


They mean the entire "When Elephants Fly" scene. There is no character named Jim Crow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v2exWrsGOc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_(character)

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Postby Big Magilla » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:45 am

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Big Magilla wrote: It would have to have been after February 2003 because I distinctly remember being in a house I owned from that date through mid-2011.


This must have been your lovely house in San Francisco we visited during the summer of 2003.

It was in a San Francisco suburb, but close enough. :D

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Postby Reza » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:28 am

Big Magilla wrote: It would have to have been after February 2003 because I distinctly remember being in a house I owned from that date through mid-2011.


This must have been your lovely house in San Francisco we visited during the summer of 2003.

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Postby Big Magilla » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:22 am

I purchased my DVD copy on-line sometime after February 2003. I don't remember from where, I no longer have the case due to downsizing my collection but I'm pretty sure it was a legitimate copy originally sold at Disneyland Paris. It would have to have been after February 2003 because I distinctly remember being in a house I owned from that date through mid-2011.

The film is based on the Uncle Remus stories written by folklorist Joel Chandler Harris (1848-1908) from 1880 on. The stories were written from "the African-American oral tradition." In other words, passed down from slaves and their descendants.

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Postby Precious Doll » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:55 pm

Thanks for that.

If only I could have seen into the future I would have purchased a couple of video tapes of it when it was released in Australia in 1980s for a nice big profit on eBay now.
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Postby Mister Tee » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:33 pm

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Mister Tee wrote:Song of the South hasn't been available for years -- I know from a long period of trying to rent/buy a copy. I finally was able to see it in pieces on YouTube sometime in the past 2-3 years; people periodically post it there, and it stays up till Disney catches it and has it removed.



Mister Tee, Was Song of the South ever released on video tape in the US?


I found this online, and it comports with my memory:

"You cannot find this movie anywhere because after Song of the South's last theatrical release in 1986, Disney decided not to re-release it again, most likely because of the movie's "racist" stigma (although there are no documented complaints stemming from the movie's 1986 theatrical release that I'm aware of.) The movie has been released on video and laserdisc in many other countries, but never in the United States. As of December 2001, Song of the South was withdrawn worldwide."

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Postby Precious Doll » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:07 pm

Mister Tee wrote:Song of the South hasn't been available for years -- I know from a long period of trying to rent/buy a copy. I finally was able to see it in pieces on YouTube sometime in the past 2-3 years; people periodically post it there, and it stays up till Disney catches it and has it removed.



Mister Tee, Was Song of the South ever released on video tape in the US?
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Postby Precious Doll » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:04 pm

Reza wrote:Don't viewers today have the brains to do that without being explained? Every old film needs to be evaluated the same way. You automatically understand that what is depicted on screen, even something wrong, was either acceptable back then or was shown because of certain reasons which history has made crystal clear.


I don't think some of them do and we have two main problems with some older films today.

1) Outrage - people are so easily outraged, even about things made or written years ago. They always have been with the banning over the years of films, books, plays, songs, etc but there have been an awful lot of articles written in the last couple of years virtually wanting to erase some films because of their depiction of race, sex, women, gays, etc. John Hughes innocuous and much loved teen flicks of the 80s are now viewed by some as the ultimate evil, not to mention the films of Roman Polanski & Woody Allen by others. Really, in the culture of widespread outrage we have probably all been guilty of it to some degree, I know I have (Mary Queen of Scots anyone). So to help avoid 'outrage' a disclaimer before the film might soften some of that.

2) Propaganda/Sterotypes - Because of the nature of some works they can be used to justify deplorable behaviour or reinforce inaccurate stereotypes. I recall when William Friedkin's Crusing (1980) was being filmed that their were protests about the film due to its subject matter. The view of those objecting were rightly concerned that the lifestyle of homosexuals depicted in the film would be seen by the wider community as the norm when in fact the film was set it a subculture of gay mens lives. If I'm not mistaken when it was released in cinemas and on DVD it had a disclaimer stating that the film only represented a small section of the gay community - or something like that.

People with an agenda will grab anything to use against others, so really disclaimers are at least useful for setting things out up front about the intentions of the films and in the case of older films their historical setting. The Eternal Jew (1940) & Jud Süß (1940), two of the most famous Nazi propaganda films, should never be viewed without a explanatory title card.[/quote]
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Postby Mister Tee » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:52 pm

Song of the South hasn't been available for years -- I know from a long period of trying to rent/buy a copy. I finally was able to see it in pieces on YouTube sometime in the past 2-3 years; people periodically post it there, and it stays up till Disney catches it and has it removed.

It's not exactly a gem of a film -- the live-action stuff is pretty dreary, and only Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah truly distinguishes the film -- and I can understand Disney's stance toward the film. It's not just it fails modern-day racially enlightened standards; it actively romanticizes plantation life. It's certainly true that most film sequences involving black actors pre-Sidney Poitier are similarly racist-in-retrospect (there's a scene in 1931's Cimarron that makes me completely cringe), but Disney may feel that its position as guardian to young children -- even today, many kids' first exposure to movies comes from a Disney film -- gives it a greater responsibility to police content.

The reference to Dumbo here is unclear: are they just saying the name Jim Crow is offensive, or do they mean the entire "When I See an Elephant Fly" scene? If the latter...I'm sure it comes off a bit minstrel-y today, but it's a rollicking number -- by far my favorite part of the movie when I was a kid -- and censoring it is something I think comes closer to trying to wipe out the past because it doesn't conform to contemporary norms.

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Postby Big Magilla » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:59 pm

An explanatory explanation would be preferable to burying the film.

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Postby Reza » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:14 pm

Big Magilla wrote:Song of the South should be released with an explanatory introduction that puts the film's characters in their proper perspective. In additon to winning an Oscar for best song, it also earned James Baskett an honorary Oscar "for his able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus, friend and story teller to the children of the world, in Walt Disney's Song of the South" four months before he died of complications from diabetes


This is an outstanding film and one of the best from Disney. Why do we need explanatory notes telling viewers to watch the film putting the characters in their proper perspective?

Don't viewers today have the brains to do that without being explained? Every old film needs to be evaluated the same way. You automatically understand that what is depicted on screen, even something wrong, was either acceptable back then or was shown because of certain reasons which history has made crystal clear.

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Postby Precious Doll » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:49 am

Big Magilla wrote:Song of the South should be released with an explanatory introduction that puts the film's characters in their proper perspective. In additon to winning an Oscar for best song, it also earned James Baskett an honorary Oscar "for his able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus, friend and story teller to the children of the world, in Walt Disney's Song of the South" four months before he died of complications from diabetes.

Why couldn't they simply rename the Jim Crow character in Dumbo? Call him Jack or Joe or something. It would be an easy edit.


Exactly. When I recently watched Cabin in the Sky the Warners DVD had a message about perspective.
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Postby Big Magilla » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:44 am

Song of the South should be released with an explanatory introduction that puts the film's characters in their proper perspective. In additon to winning an Oscar for best song, it also earned James Baskett an honorary Oscar "for his able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus, friend and story teller to the children of the world, in Walt Disney's Song of the South" four months before he died of complications from diabetes.

Why couldn't they simply rename the Jim Crow character in Dumbo? Call him Jack or Joe or something. It would be an easy edit.

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Postby Precious Doll » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:55 pm

For those who have never seen Song of the South or wish to see it again its looking very unlikely. This basically amounts to self imposed censorship and trying to white wash and erase the past. The removal a scene from the original animated Dumbo is also disturbing.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/ ... south-film
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Postby dws1982 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:43 pm

dws1982 wrote:Unfortunately, their catalog has also emptied out to a degree: All Warner Brothers properties (both movies and TV shows) are no longer available on Prime or for regular Rental/Purchase: This goes as far back as stuff like The Broadway Melody to recent hits like A Star is Born. Apparently there's some kind of Warner/Amazon pissing contest that resulted in Amazon pulling all Warner content. They had this dispute in the past, and Amazon temporarily stopped taking pre-orders for Warner content, but it was resolved much more quickly than this one, which has been going on all year.

Warner and Amazon seem to be working out their issue. Warner properties are gradually being added back for rental/purchase on Amazon. All the President's Men is now listed as available for rental and/or purchase, and I actually know for a fact that just this morning it was listed as unavailable because I was scrolling through my watchlist this morning and there was no option to watch it.

Newer movies like A Star is Born and Crazy Rich Asians are also available, and they weren't recently. Some big titles (Unforgiven) are still listed as unavailable but I guess they may be added back soon.

I would advise you guys to buy titles that you want when they're available for purchase, because even if Warner and Amazon get into this pissing contest and pull the titles, the titles won't be pulled from your library if you own them. I know this for a fact: Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (maybe the best Batman movie ever) is still listed in my library, although if you search Amazon it shows it as unavailable. With physical media gradually dying, many of the films are unlikely to ever get a physical release again, so even though it's not ideal, a streaming purchase will probably be your only option to own many films.


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