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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Big Magilla » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:50 am

Rumor has it that it is a preemptive strike against Murphy attempting a mini-series based on her well-known feud with her sister while she is still alive.

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Uri » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:29 am

Good for her. And never underestimate her - after all, she's the person who legally brought down the Studio system (or at least contributed to its demise by winning her case against WB in the '40s).

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby nightwingnova » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:34 pm

She's blind, mostly deaf, over 100, and in Paris. How would she know?

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:32 pm

Olivia de Havilland sues FX over her inaccurate, unauthorized portrayal in "Feud"

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Greg » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:01 pm

Coincidentally or not, the official Oscars channel on YouTube, on its front page, shows the video of Crawford accepting the Best Actress Oscar for Anne Bancroft in 1963.
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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Big Magilla » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:17 pm

No detail, just a few snide remarks here and there.

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Greg » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:17 pm

Did Feud go into any detail about Crawford's stint at Pepsi?
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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Big Magilla » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:19 pm

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the "Joan Crawford is dead. Good." comment was an invention of female impersonator, Charles Pearce, not an actual quote from Davis herself. While I can picture her saying something like that to get laughs on a TV show years after Crawford's death, I can't believe she would say such a thing when called by an AP reporter immediately following Crawford's death. It would have created an immediate scandal.

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Big Magilla » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:51 pm

Also gone in 1977:

The aforementioned Bing Crosby, Charlie Chaplin, Groucho Marx and of course, Elvis Presley, Ethel Waters, Howard Hawks, Maria Callas, Freddie Prinze, Jean Hagen and Charlotte Greenwood who convinced Crawford to become a Christian Scientist.

Two other glaring misrepresentations:

Christina Crawford wrote Mommie Dearest in retaliation for Crawford cutting her out of her will, not the other way around. No galley of the book existed for anyone to leak it to Crawford before her death.

B.D. Hyman's books about Davis were written after Davis suffered a series of strokes in 1983 and published in 1985 and 1987, so, yes, Davis knew about them and became very bitter over them, remaining so until her death in 1989, but that was long after the events chronicled in this dubious work.

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby The Original BJ » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:26 pm

I enjoyed this series well enough at the beginning, but thought it really lost its way near the conclusion, with last night's episode the worst of them all.

As I said last week, the creators just didn't do a great job exploring a deep enough thesis to fill out eight hours of content -- all the last episode seemed to amount to was "isn't it sad they weren't friends all along?" which is a thoroughly shallow conceit for a series. And certain things just didn't even make that much sense -- Bette hears the news of Crawford's passing and responds with her famous "Joan Crawford is dead. Good" line, but then she's at the Oscars acting like she's learned a lesson about not making catty comments about her rival, only there's no explanation for how that change came about.

I also thought the structuring device of the interviews came off even worse once it was revealed what it all was -- I mean, what WAS that? Was someone doing a documentary about the Bette-Joan relationship, and used backstage at the Oscars to film interviews with anyone who crossed paths with them? What a lazy screenwriting conceit. Similarly, it didn't make any sense that the characters in this series would have been so Crawford-focused during the In Memoriam (or whatever it was called then) -- they'd have all crossed paths with many of the other people who died that year, having them give a toast to Joan seems a totally myopic writing choice.

I think I liked the series best when it was at its nastiest -- it was then that it actually seemed to be getting at the most interesting things about the Davis-Crawford conflict, and what Hollywood was like for women of a certain age in that era -- but last night just dipped too much into what Margo Channing might have called "cheap sentiment," and I didn't find the emotion it was trying to peddle even remotely earned.

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Big Magilla » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:58 am

This was a truly horrid episode.

The 1977 Oscars, given in 1978, was the first time there was a montage of stars who had passed away during the Oscar year, notably Chaplin, Marx, Crawford and Crosby, but as Tee notes, it was as not yet referred to as an "in memoriam" segment and was not something anyone looked forward to as depicted in the episode. The genesis of it actually went back a year when Loretta Young wanted to do s segment on her friend Rosalind Russell who passed away in 1976. Friedkin refused , and added to his notoriety by further refusing to have Peter Finch's widow accept his award should be win. Friedkin's designate, Paddy Chayefsky defied him and brought Mrs. Finch up on stage to accept anyway.

In any event, the highlight of the 1977 Oscars was not Davis, not Crawford in memoriam, or any of the other legends involved in the show, it was Vanessa Redgrave's ranting about Zionist hoodlums and Chaefsky's later rebuke of her.

The whole thing, as was the series itself, was not so much "Bette and Joan" as it was "Joan with Bette in support". It wasn't balanced at all.

I don't know when the rift between Bette and her daughter was supposed to have occurred, but as late as 1981, the two must have been still talking. That's the year she made the TV movie, Family Reunion with her then 11 or 12-year-old grandson, Ashley.

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Re: Feud: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Mister Tee » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:15 am

Well, to put a period on it:

There were the usual examples of poor research -- Crawford's claim the Academy gives nominations to independent movies pre-dated that reality by 20-25 years; Bob Aldrich had some hits, hardly became a highly respected auteur; and, though there was a montage of star deaths at the 1977 Oscar show (serenaded with that grisly song by Sammy Davis), it was only because so many truly famous people had died that year (including Groucho and Charlie Chaplin): it wasn't a regular feature, and no one would have referred to it as "the In Memoriam". It's depressing to get old and find out how poorly fact-checked so many things are -- it makes me wonder how many mistakes I was fed as a younger fellow.

I don't know if Ryan Murphy undertook this project because he adored Joan Crawford or because he adored Jessica Lange, but the two merged by the time of his episode, and, I'm sorry to say, mostly lost me. I signed on for a movie about the feud connected to Baby Jane; a tenuous parallel of two aging actresses' lives didn't interest me as much, and I found this episode mostly without redeeming quality. The one saving grace: the late imagined sequence with Warner and Hopper, which brought back some of the verve of the early episodes, something otherwise lacking tonight. It made one wish, as I read elsewhere tonight, that there'd been more Tucci/Davis interaction in the show, because those two truly clicked.

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Re: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Precious Doll » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:45 am

Uri wrote: It's such a poor, pitiful craftsmanship.


Though I haven't seen the series, or even a trailer for it, that is Ryan Murphy through and through.
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Re: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Uri » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:15 am

My problem is not so much with this all-about-eve-esque format (had it was properly and fully done as Tee suggested). but with this primitive, lazy way of having these paragraphs, seemingly taken straight out of Wikipedia entries about Davis and Crawford, being spoken by people who are supposed to share their personal take with us. There's not any shred of attempt to, you know, turn this "research" material into, you know, a script, maybe? With minimally constructed, well, characters, perhaps? It's such a poor, pitiful craftsmanship.

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Re: Ryan Murphy mentions Damien

Postby Big Magilla » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:04 pm

Mister Tee wrote:
I read elsewhere that the original version of the script -- entitled "Best Actress" -- was structured around two actresses who were friends of Davis (Blondell & deHavilland) and two who were friends of Crawford's (Barbara Stanwyck and Greer Garson). The conversations/interviews were set backstage at the 1977 Oscars (held of course in 1978), which, due to being the 50th anniversary show, drew a great number of old-timers (and was presumably the last time many of them were in the same place).


More poorly researched idiocy. Stanwyck, Garson and de Havilland were all presenters at the 50th anniversary presentation, as was Davis, but Blondell's last TV appearance was at James Cagney's AFI tribute four years earlier. In any event, I doubt any of them would have sat around gossiping with a TV interviewer about Davis and the then recently deceased Crawford, and certainly not within earshot of Davis.


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