The Assassination of Jesse James: The Poll

The Assassination of Jesse James: The Poll

****
11
44%
*** 1/2
8
32%
***
2
8%
** 1/2
2
8%
**
2
8%
* 1/2
0
No votes
*
0
No votes
1/2 *
0
No votes
0
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 25

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Postby Hustler » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:11 pm

Penelope wrote:Yes, he's a co-lead with Brad Pitt, but if I were forced to rank them (say, for example, how Bette Davis would rank over Anne Baxter in All About Eve), I'd rank Affleck over Pitt largely because it's more Ford's story than it is James', and because the last 20 minutes are about the resolution of his life, and his emotions and mindset about what has happened.

And maybe because Affleck is so intense an good actor that he literally ate Pitt.




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Postby Hustler » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:09 pm

I think we had largely discuss about that in recent years. The option of considering him in supporting is a strategy having in mind Affleck´s chances to win.

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Postby Penelope » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:25 pm

Yes, he's a co-lead with Brad Pitt, but if I were forced to rank them (say, for example, how Bette Davis would rank over Anne Baxter in All About Eve), I'd rank Affleck over Pitt largely because it's more Ford's story than it is James', and because the last 20 minutes are about the resolution of his life, and his emotions and mindset about what has happened.
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Postby ITALIANO » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:16 pm

No, he's a co-lead. There are several scenes in the first part of the movie where he's completely absent. Unlike Foxx, O'Neal or even Hutton, he's not in every single scene or almost. But still, of course, being co-lead means that the right placement would be Best Actor. Yet we know how the Academy works.

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Postby The Original BJ » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:56 pm

ITALIANO wrote:And since I'm talking about the acting - Casey Affleck is perfect for the role. Technically a co-lead, true, so he should probably be nominated as Best Actor, but, I mean, the Academy has made more shocking choices in the past (O'Neal, Hutton, Foxx, even Gyllenhaal) - so I'm not surprised.

But he's not a co-lead. He is THE lead. The other names you mention were also leads, but I think Affleck's placement is even more shocking. O'Neal was a kid. Hutton's the lead, but of an ensemble piece. Foxx was never going to be forced to compete with himself. And Gyllenhaal has the smaller lead role. Those nods were all jokes, but Affleck's placement is the most truly bizarre of them all.

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Postby ITALIANO » Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:15 pm

This is one of those too rare contemporary American movies which one isn't forced to feel intellectually superior to. Not perfect, I know - the first part especially has some narrative problems, a few characters aren't always well focused (including sometimes Jesse James himself, though Brad Pitt's performance is extremely good, the best he has given till now). But I don't care: it's intelligent, and nowadays for me this is enough. And not only intelligent - visually stunning (I think I will never forget some of those American landscapes), often profound (what it says about America, American violence, American myths, is always at least interesting), and very well acted (this is the kind of "ensemble" which should be mentioned by groups like the SAG).

And since I'm talking about the acting - Casey Affleck is perfect for the role. Technically a co-lead, true, so he should probably be nominated as Best Actor, but, I mean, the Academy has made more shocking choices in the past (O'Neal, Hutton, Foxx, even Gyllenhaal) - so I'm not surprised. It happens often. What's important is the performance, and the performance is amazing - the way this still relatively young actor can so subtly express contrasting emotions, admiration, envy, love, hate, jealousy, success, failure, innocence, cruelty, self-confidence and self-hate - and often at the same time - is the proof of a major talent. I don't know what will happen to this actor, which other chances American cinema will give him, but this is the kind of performance a more experienced actor could be proud of. Rarely has human mediocrity been portrayed with such strength, and with so many nuances, on the screen - in the final fifteen minutes it reaches greatness.




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Postby Zahveed » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:04 am

Assassination of Jesse James is probably the best movie I've seen this year, so far. Into the Wild is a close second.
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Postby Bog » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:30 am

Sabin wrote:To which I would say "Two fucking hours." Breezed right by. Both times.

Amen

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Postby Sabin » Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:28 pm

I looked, and it's 2hrs. 40 mins., which I wouldn't call "barely" over 2:30. Anyway, that's just the alleged running time. I'm trying to convey an experience. Which can be summed up in three words.....

To which I would say "Two fucking hours." Breezed right by. Both times.
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Postby Bog » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:46 am

While I disagree wholeheartedly with Pen on Royal Tenenbaums and Hilary Swank (in Million Dollar Baby)...who knows about Paul Greengrass as I am site unseen on his foray into the big screen...I do agree more than ever on the actual topic of this thread that Assassination is splendid and sadly Casey and company are most definitely going to be reserved for Shouldabeen lists of myself, Penelope, FilmFan, OBJ, etc.

It is a damn shame, on another thread right now there is a big tiff occurring over the prospects of another 'western' and its Oscar possibilities still hidden to most of us and this excellent piece of filmmaking is out there and it can't get no love

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Postby flipp525 » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:00 pm

Penelope wrote:
flipp525 wrote:I'm dressing up as Maggie Fitzgerald for Halloween next year. Should I just send pics directly to you or make one of them my new avatar?

Is somebody going to push around on a gurney?

LOL! Yes, of course!




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Postby Penelope » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:58 pm

flipp525 wrote:I'm dressing up as Maggie Fitzgerald for Halloween next year. Should I just send pics directly to you or make one of them my new avatar?

Is somebody going to push you around on a gurney?




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Postby flipp525 » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:56 pm

I'm dressing up as Maggie Fitzgerald for Halloween next year. Should I just send pics directly to you or make one of them my new avatar?



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Postby Penelope » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:50 pm

flipp525 wrote:
The Original BJ wrote:Penelope, Hilary Swank and Paul Greengrass are one thing.

Penelope, I thought about you when I saw the treacly trailer for "P.S. I Love You" this past weekend. Have you been blessed with it yet? Get ready to hurl your guts out.

Yes, it looks pretty dreadful. Didn't Jennifer Garner star in the same movie earlier this year?

Just as an aside: can you imagine? Hilary Swank starring in a movie directed by Paul Greengrass with a script by Wes Anderson. Oh, the horror, the horror.
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Postby flipp525 » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:45 pm

The Original BJ wrote:Penelope, Hilary Swank and Paul Greengrass are one thing.

Penelope, I thought about you when I saw the treacly trailer for "P.S. I Love You" this past weekend. Have you been blessed with it yet? Get ready to hurl your guts out.
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