Everything Is Great and Amazing

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Okri » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:58 pm

Yeah and everything else that happened this week. Honestly, I'm just exhausted.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:57 pm

Sabin wrote:Haha, the "shit hole countries" comment?

He could be referring to just about anything from the past 48 hours. (Or 2-1/2 years, I guess.)

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sabin » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:43 pm

Haha, the "shit hole countries" comment?
"If you are marching with white nationalists, you are by definition not a very nice person. If Malala Yousafzai had taken part in that rally, you'd have to say 'Okay, I guess Malala sucks now.'" ~ John Oliver

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Okri » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:30 pm

FFS.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:26 pm

I was speaking of a younger Joe Biden in terms of style - it doesn't have to be a white guy or a guy at all, but it has to be someone who can appeal to voters across the spectrum. Biden at 78, Sanders at 79, Warren at 71 - following 75-year-old Trump is going to be a tough sell. 51-year-old Cory Booker would be the perfect age. 56-year-old Harris and 54-year-old Gllibrand would also be in range, but neither one is that well-known on the national stage at the moment.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sabin » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:26 pm

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As to who emerges in 2020, it would be a mistake for the Democrats to look for another TV star, movie star or blowhard millionaire just as it would be to go for someone with a one-note agenda such as the #metoo movement. If you look at the Dems who won the top 2017 races in Virginia and Alabama, the one thing they have in common is that they're bland. Joe Biden fits the pattern, but he will be 78 on inauguration day. What they need to do is find a younger Joe Biden if one can stand out from the crowd enough to get noticed.

Why would a younger Joe Biden work if a younger Joe Biden never pulled in a single delegate in any race?

I don't think the #MeToo movement is a one-note agenda, but the left is divided right now about priorities in ways that I think some on this board might not be clued into. Whatever mental distress Trump's presidency has caused for us on this board, there are women out there who live in a state of everyday panic. And that warrants some real empathy.

In the wake of a Trump presidency, the idea of nominating another white guy seems repugnant. Which leaves candidates like Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, and Elizabeth Warren. On the other end of the spectrum, the progressive left still sees voting for anyone who takes money as a sin. Which leaves candidates like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Sherrod Brown (if he can survive his reelection race, and with the knowledge that his first wife charged him with domestic abuse, I suspect he won't).

So, does that leave Elizabeth Warren? Or (obviously more likely) do we just not see the race now? I guess what I'm trying to say is the Democratic party never truly rallied behind Hillary. They had a big split down the center. And I'm afraid they're going to have more than one schism in three years.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:48 pm

I am so sick of hearing about this guy that I don't just want him to stop being president and the de facto leader of the free world. I want him to go away and not be heard from again.

Was it only last year when year-end news shows went through the top ten news stories of the year from all over the world? Now it's the top ten Trump stories of the year.

If the Mueller investigation concludes prior to the mid-term elections, unless there is conclusive evidence that Trump "did it", chances are the Republican congress will do nothing. Even if they do, we get Pence whose "God believes in me as much as I believe in God" bullshit is just as sickening. The only saving grace is that he won't be all over the news all the time.

If the Mueller investigation ends after the mid-terms, and the Democrats win big, it's still a gamble whether the lame duck Republicans will support impeachment - although it's possible they may as a form of revenge.

If, however, the Mueller investigation condludes once the new congress is in place with the Democrats in charge (which is not a certainty), he'll either be gone or rendered impotent when the New Democratic Congress, which will hopefully have learned its lessons, does to Trump what the Republican Congress did to Obama.

As to who emerges in 2020, it would be a mistake for the Democrats to look for another TV star, movie star or blowhard millionaire just as it would be to go for someone with a one-note agenda such as the #metoo movement. If you look at the Dems who won the top 2017 races in Virginia and Alabama, the one thing they have in common is that they're bland. Joe Biden fits the pattern, but he will be 78 on inauguration day. What they need to do is find a younger Joe Biden if one can stand out from the crowd enough to get noticed.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sabin » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:02 pm

At the end of 2017, it's impossible for me to think of anything besides "Well, here we are...One year into the Trump Presidency..."

This year has been awful. My only silver lining is that it's been fantastic for productivity because everyday has ground to a halt with the news cycle. And when one leaves the grid completely, turns off the internet, to work, quite a lot can get done. I could go on and on about everything that's happened during the course of the year, but increasingly one thought stays firmly in my mind...

I don't think we're going to be done with this guy in three years. I don't think he's going anywhere. I'd like to think I'm just being one of Mister Tee's Doomed Dems, woe-is-me-ing as the day is long, but I'm not sure the Democrats have taken the right lessons from the 2016 race. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure I am. I know we're in a bold new world of politics, but one thing remains the same: it doesn't seem to matter who the Republicans put on their ticket, but it does matter who we put on our ticket. Whoever the Democratic candidate is, s/he really needs to do two things: bring in independents and people of color. That's how we win. And of course, communicating a vision would be nice.

Who do we have in 2020 that does that? It's likely this person isn't on the radar yet. A governor, a congressperson, a celebrity. We don't know what we're going to be facing yet. A crash, a war, at this point I wouldn't put an alien invasion past us. So, it's impossible to know the factors that are going to be in play, but I'm scared of two things. I'm scared that Democrats are misreading the room. I'm scared that they think that the #MeToo movement, which has my full support, is the most important issue to most Americans. I think for most Americans, it might be on their top ten. But if most Americans had that big of a problem with sexual assault, I feel like Donald Trump wouldn't be the President right now. I am terrified at the idea of Donald Trump running against the #MeToo movement.*

The second thing I'm scared of is too much faith being placed on the Mueller investigation. I know Mister Tee has full confidence that it will pay off, but really, can I get odds on this thing? What about Alzheimer's and the 25th Amendment? 25% 33% It seems like Trump is pretty good at winning coin flips.

Is Congress going to really remove him? Are Democrats going to grow a spine and do it when they saw what happened to the Republicans in 1998? I worry that in the minds of those who would take action, the proper analogue isn't Watergate but rather Ken Starr. Americans didn't care that a philanderer got a blow job from an intern, and I'm not sure how much they're going to care that Trump did a quid pro quo with Russia to build a hotel there when he can shrug it off by saying "I'm a good businessman." These people just care about the economy and they're about to get a couple grand in their pockets.

I guess I'm just very concerned at the idea of dismissing Donald Trump for reelection just because he's the least popular President of all time, when being the least popular candidate of all time didn't stop him.

Anyway, one last rant for 2017. Here's hoping that by this time next year, these musings will be a quote in a much, much happier post.

* I'm terrified of Donald Trump doing it. I'm totally fine with Mike Pence doing it.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:44 am

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:54 pm

Report: Mike Pence Offered to Replace Trump on GOP Ticket After the Access Hollywood Tape:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... -tape.html

I wonder how Trump will deal with this news. The President has no authority to fire the Vice President.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Precious Doll » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:36 am

Sarandon probably lost the plot post Dead Man Walking - just look at the her dreadful career choices.

A year or two in the 'real' world rather than the 'reel' world might give her the heavy dose of reality she clearly needs.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby taki15 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:05 am

Susan Sarandon is an even bigger fool and horrible human being that I ever thought.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/26/susan-sarandon-i-thought-hillary-was-very-dangerous-if-shed-won-wed-be-at-war

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:41 pm

Still, Biden is not the most popular politician in America.

Sanders Is Most Popular Us Politician:

http://observer.com/2017/10/sanders-is- ... t-popular/
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:42 am

I think when they say Biden "would have won" what they really mean is he would have won Pennsylvania and Ohio, but that assumes he would have won every other state that Hillary won.

Donna Brazile clarified her statement somewhat when she said on the TV talk shows what she said in her book was that replacing Hillary and Kane with Biden and Booker was one of the scenarios that went through her mind, but not something she had thought through. In reality, if Hillary had dropped out or had been forced out, the DNC wouldn't get to name her replacement. It would either defer to Kaine or a hastily gathered second convention that may or may not have picked Biden. In any case, it would have been a much bigger mess, and yes, Obama's lack of support for the DNC was a big part of the problem. Had Hillary won in 2008 and picked Obama as her VP, he would be president now and none of the nightmare of the last year would be happening, but then if wishes were horses we would all be riding one.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby taki15 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:33 am

It's easy to say now that Biden would have been an easy winner. But it's one thing talking in the abstract and another one being out there, on the campaign trail, with the entire Republican machine firing at will.
Biden is a gaffe machine and the media would have had a field day with him. Sure, Trump was his opponent, but let's not forget that in their desperate quest of being "balanced" they would have hyped up any maladroit statement by uncle Joe (who is hardly a politician known for political correctness).
He would also have been by far the oldest presidential nominee ever, and considering his past health scares everybody would constantly question his ability to carry out his duties.

I agree that as an ethnic white male Biden would have probably held the line in WWC states where Clinton cratered, and thus won the election.
But it wouldn't have been the double digit cakewalk some people fantasize about.


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