Everything Is Great and Amazing

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:21 pm

To elaborate (earlier, I was too stunned to go on at greater length):

I think this moment is akin to the Saturday Night Massacre during Watergate -- a scandal has already been growing for months, but this causes it to metastasize. The speechlessness and shock from the TV pundits was amazing to watch -- Trump was, to begin with, incoherent (answering questions about Russian interference with nonsense about Hilary's server), and finally close to treasonous, taking Putin's word over that of the unanimous conclusion of his own intelligence community. Mueller'sindictments last Friday had already upped the ante substantially, but this puts us into what Bill Kristol (Bill Kristol!) labeled a crisis moment.

I'm not saying this means Trump is gone in the short term. Nixon survived almost ten months post the Saturday Night Massacre. But, from the time of the Massacre onward, there was a presumption of guilt against Nixon among a majority of the population (and, though they were careful not to articulate it, the press), and it made his eventual departure a matter of when rather than if. I think we're in the same place today.

I also think it could play out a lot uglier than Watergate. Trump's supporters have been listening to the equivalent of Radio Rwanda for decades now in Fox News and right-wing radio, and many of them will deny reality to their graves. And, unhappily, many of those people have a good number of guns. I fear for the next couple of years.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:42 am

Good frickin' god. Worse than we could even have imagined.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:09 pm

Trump's recent SCOTUS pick has written that a sitting President should never be indicted. How convenient.

"Brett Kavanaugh Was a Mistake:"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... -gift.html
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:25 am

Ah, so.

The original court was comprised of six justices. It has varied over the years, expanding and reducing the number of justices and was last changed in 1869 when it was set at 9.

We have 13 district courts so why not have 13 Supreme Court justices?

The best time to make the change would be, as Greg originally suggested, after the 2020 election when we, hopefully, will have a much more moderate, if not liberal, congress and president. Doing it while Trump and Pence are in power would be an exercise in futility.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby OscarGuy » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:15 am

The number of supreme court justices is not specified in the constitution, therefore, it's a legislative decision. It would probably require a veto-proof majority, though, because the R's wouldn't ever let it happen.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Heksagon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:04 am

The way in which the judges of the Supreme Court are appointed is not functioning properly in this political environment. No one predicted how partisan and politicized the court would become. Appointed-for-life offices don't belong to this century either. After the Electoral College, that's the second most obvious part of the U.S. Constitution that would need updating.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:58 am

Wouldn't that require a constitutional amendment ratified by two thirds of of the states?
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:20 pm

Greg wrote:As radical as it sounds, if a progressive President and Congress is elected in 2020; and, the Supreme Court rules the passed-and-signed legislation unconstitutional, I think it would then be the correct decision for the President and Senate to increase the number of Justices in the Supreme Court.


There are a lot of people who've never been anything close to radical -- or even especially lefty -- who would agree. Especially given the circumstances by which Gorsuch got his seat, not to mention the murkiness around the legitimacy of the 2018 vote.

Constitutional crisis used to be a fantastical term. No more.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:09 pm

As radical as it sounds, if a progressive President and Congress is elected in 2020; and, the Supreme Court rules the passed-and-signed legislation unconstitutional, I think it would then be the correct decision for the President and Senate to increase the number of Justices in the Supreme Court.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:35 pm

This November's election will be decisive. Either things will change or we'll know for sure that the masses are either stupid or just don't care.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:03 pm

I was planning on posting something about the manic pundit over-reaction to the Ocasio-Cortez win last night (a win that cheered me immensely, and is NOT, contrary to hot takes, a sign Democrats are in Disarray!!)...

...but that's small potatoes compared to the Supreme Court horror. The hypocrisy with which McConnell will ram through a far-right replacement will be obvious to all and will not matter. To this GOP, power is all that counts, and they will exercise it ruthlessly. (Dems who object loudly will be accused of...wait for it...incivility.)

I repeat my post of yesterday. This is a GOP court that already sees itself as a super-Congress, willing to contort to any shape to achieve GOP-desired outcomes. Anyone out there still want to argue there was no difference between the candidates?

Screw them all. And James Comey. And Vladimir Putin. Unless Robert Mueller swoops in quickly and decisively (I think he'll do the deed eventually, but I fear not soon enough), this country is going to be in a world of hurt for likely the rest of my lifetime.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby The Original BJ » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:22 pm

Just when you thought this week couldn't get ANY worse...

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:09 pm

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeats House Democrat Joe Crowley in massive upset:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irUKkruoibA
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:06 pm

Yet another day when we can offer our heartfelt thanks to all those who stayed home or voted for a pointless third party because there was no difference between the two candidates.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:10 am

Some have suggested the message was meant for Trump. Whatever the reason, it was tone deaf, very much a "let 'em eat cake" moment, but what saddens me most is the continued support of her husband no matter what he does.

Conducting a news conference with people who lost loved ones to violence at the hands of immigrants that turned out to be victims of drunk drivers was beyond the pale as so many things have been. It's almost as bad as the right-wing meme comparing soldiers separated from loved ones in their deployment to the taking of children from asylum seekers which shouldn't be compared to anything except the taking of children from their parents in Nazi concentration camps. This is beyond callous. It's institutionalized cruelty. It forces the parents who have risked everything to bring their children to what they would be safety only to have them plead guilty to the "crime of illegal entry" to get a reduced sentence and deportation in the hope that they will be reunited with the children no one seems to know where to find. And it's being done in our name while our president shames our country's friends and cavorts with its enemies. If this were a TV show no one would believe it.
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