Everything Is Great and Amazing

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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Greg » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:26 pm

Sabin wrote:From twitter:

THE WORLD: "It is officially impossible for the world to make less sense than it does now."

JOHN MCCAIN: "Hold my alligator."


The big question is, what does his mother have to say about this? Actually, she is still alive. Roberta McCain is 105 years young.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Precious Doll » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:33 pm

danfrank wrote:People may well vote on their own country's issues, but I can't help but think that people are also amassing against the rise of far-right, nationalistic, xenophobic (particularly anti-Muslim) candidates throughout Europe and, yes, the U.S. The large youth turnout in Great Britain, for example, is being largely credited for the loss of seats by the Conservatives there. My guess is that these youth were more motivated to vote in this particular election in large part to take a stand against this broader wave.


The number of young people turning out to vote had a lot to do with Brexit where young people failed to get out there and vote and ended up with a result that they did not like - they only had themselves to blame.

They were not going to make the same mistake again.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:50 pm

A slight change in title.

Next to "great", the most overused word in Trump's limited vocabulary is "amazing". I think it's a more fitting word to use in the title than "again", which even his most ardent supporters are still waiting for. Meanwhile they can console themselves that their soothsayer is still proclaiming that everything is going to be great and amazing. Even he's dropped "again" from his mutterings.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby taki15 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:08 pm

Trump's election was a real shock here in Europe, and watching him bumble and bully every American ally has certainly done no favors to the nationalistic/far-right parties who vocally and enthusiastically supported him last year.
To say that there is no connection between the collapse of populist-nationalists in Europe and Trump's election is to deny the obvious. Even in the UK, Conservatives suffered in London in no small part because of Trump's ridiculous feud with Khan.

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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby OscarGuy » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:16 pm

I think younger voters are, on the whole, more global in their thinking, so I believe that some of the motivation is the Trump factor insomuch as the fact that religious conservative politicians in other nation were seeing how the Republicans and Trump managed to beat all expectations and win. many of them saw this as a roadmap to their majorities. The problem is that Trump has showcased how dangerous such rhetoric and unwavering neo-patriotism is and have seen it in their own politicians and decided to reject that type of ideology. The further see what can happen, with the US as an example, when you don't get out and vote and allow polls and assurances to dissuade you from voting in an election where your vote won't matter. They see that votes DO matter and react accordingly.

That's part of the issue. Britain also had that Brexit issue that they felt betrayed on and that also goosed participation. It's additionally thanks to Theresa May's blatant anti-Muslim rhetoric shortly after the concern and London Bridge attacks. That type of fearmongering doesn't play well to the younger generations.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Sonic Youth » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:13 am

I have an anecdote to share, and I know that being an anecdote it's not worth much, but take it as you will. In 2005, my wife and I lived in the Netherlands for part of the year. (I posted from there a few times.) At the time, a common image we came across was a picture of G.W. Bush and a monkey's face side-by-side. My wife told me that she saw quite a few of these in her colleague's work cubicles. That has to account for something.

I get what you're saying, and I don't mean to say Trump was anyone's deciding factor, and I don't mean to deny that other countries have their own autonomous interests. But I remember that photo-op Theresa May took with Trump where they were nearly hand-in-hand. It's got to have some sort of effect.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby danfrank » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:47 am

People may well vote on their own country's issues, but I can't help but think that people are also amassing against the rise of far-right, nationalistic, xenophobic (particularly anti-Muslim) candidates throughout Europe and, yes, the U.S. The large youth turnout in Great Britain, for example, is being largely credited for the loss of seats by the Conservatives there. My guess is that these youth were more motivated to vote in this particular election in large part to take a stand against this broader wave.

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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:46 am

I think they do to the extent that young people all over the world are waking up to the fact that if they don't do something to stop the march toward isolationism in their own country they could end up with something similar to what is happening in the U.S.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Sonic Youth » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:37 am

Precious Doll wrote:I don't think elections outside of the U.S. has anything to do with Trump.

Countries have their own issues and vote accordingly. They don't base their voting on how or what the U.S. has done.


I know you're right, but c'mon! You can't deny the optics.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Precious Doll » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:25 am

I don't think elections outside of the U.S. has anything to do with Trump.

Countries have their own issues and vote accordingly. They don't base their voting on how or what the U.S. has done.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Okri » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:28 am

Let's find out how well Boris Johnson does in the next leadership race. That said, not gonna lie, it does feel like there is a reaction to Trump going on.

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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:31 pm

Mister Tee wrote:
We were the ones who succumbed to the disease but showed the way to the antidote.


Now, I don't want to OVERstate our role in the European elections, either. As Marco might say, we Americans love to take credit for everything. :P

But I do wonder if Trump's insulting the mayor of London might have had even a little bit of an effect? And, in general, what if we had elected a fascist who had an appealing, attractive personality, instead of this pig?

Of course there are many reasons why May is turning out to be the La La Land of national politics. But I've not heard anyone suggest the possibility that having the audacity to call for a snap election might have lost her some support. The pride before the fall.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Mister Tee » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:47 pm

Sonic Youth wrote:Norbert Hofer, a far right wing, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant nationalist runs for president in Austria. The voters reject him.

Geert Wilder, a far right wing, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant nationalist runs for prime minister in the Netherlands. The voters reject him.

Marie Le Pen, a far right wing, anti-immigrant, nationalist runs for president in France. The voters reject her.

And tonight, Theresa May (who, truth be told, was NOT quite as extreme as the others... until a few days ago, when she suddenly changed her tune) is also getting rejected right now.

The one country who decides to elect a fascist (albeit by a deficit of 3 million votes)? The United States of America, former leader of the free world. In response, the rest of the world rejects us.

So proud to be a powerful anti-influence.


We were the ones who succumbed to the disease but showed the way to the antidote.

It's still a little early to feel confident about the British vote -- too many nights I've seen Tories stage late comebacks -- but however it ends, May has at minimum lost ground in an election she called solely for the purpose of strengthening her majority. So she's toast. I wonder how well Labour might have done without a leader quite as divisive as Corbyn?

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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:32 pm

Norbert Hofer, a far right wing, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant nationalist runs for president in Austria. The voters reject him.

Geert Wilder, a far right wing, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant nationalist runs for prime minister in the Netherlands. The voters reject him.

Marie Le Pen, a far right wing, anti-immigrant, nationalist runs for president in France. The voters reject her.

And tonight, Theresa May (who, truth be told, was NOT quite as extreme as the others... until a few days ago, when she suddenly changed her tune) is also getting rejected right now.

The one country who decides to elect a fascist (albeit by a deficit of 3 million votes)? The United States of America, former leader of the free world. In response, the rest of the world rejects us.

So proud to be a powerful anti-influence.
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Re: Everything Is Great Again

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:49 pm

I have no great love for McCain, but I feel really bad for him. Not a fan of these kinds of jokes, but what are you gonna do?

And I've not heard anyone say before today that he may be going senile. Has there been any indications of this before? He was at the senate hearing yesterday asking questions. Was he incoherent then? It is true that he's looking (and sounding) quite old. And I don't know if he's senile, but he's been looking extremely exhausted lately. Yeah, it's probably time for him step down.
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