Everything Is Great and Amazing

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sabin » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:02 pm

The only question I have was whether McCain is a party man who wanted it to go to a vote...so he could vote no, or if the incompetence of the Trump administration's truly awful week (I know they've had worse, but man!) pushed him over the edge. Because if it's the latter, then perhaps the end is actually in sight.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:45 am

McCain has nothing to lose at this point, but there are at least a dozen Republican senators breathing a sigh of relief after he took the bullet for them.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby OscarGuy » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:37 am

I'm grateful that he finally did the right thing, but after years of saying one thing and doing another, McCain does not get my support.

The real heroes here are Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins who showed from the start how to take a principled stand and not back down from it.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:00 am

I turned on C Span last night to watch a "House of Cards" episode, and a "West Wing" episode broke out instead.

And were this a TV show, I'd have even felt bad for the Senate Majority Leader character. And, on a superficial level, it is tough to watch any 75 year old man devastated with the life and spirit drained out of him. But then I remember that this 75 year old man was single-handedly responsible for denying Obama his final Supreme Court justice, and then I don't feel bad in the slightest.

And let's not be so grateful for McCain for pulling away from the edge of the precipice. Who brought us to the precipice in the first place?
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:19 am

Two hopeful new events:

The head of Boys Scouts America apologized for Trump's speech.

McCain cast the deciding vote against the "skinny" Obama repeal bill.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:34 pm

The Original BJ wrote:
Sonic Youth wrote:And that applies to the whole week, actually.


Also the last two years.


The last two years is an excellent argument for reverting back to the tribal lands.

But this week in particular really does stand out. It's like a pimple sitting on a wart.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby The Original BJ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:21 pm

Sonic Youth wrote:And that applies to the whole week, actually.


Also the last two years.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:06 pm

This is not merely the Republicans trying to pass something extremely divisive. That would at least be normal politics. This is utterly embarrassing. It's too embarrassing to even take pleasure in it. And that applies to the whole week, actually. You've all seen that symbol of the snake swallowing its own tail? Right now, that's the GOP and the administration.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:18 pm

In a new low for WTF moments, three Republican U.S. Senators just said they will vote for the Senate-health-care bill only if the House promises not to vote for the bill as it is:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/27/mccain-g ... epeal.html
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:12 pm

He's getting pushback from the Pentagon on this one, as well as condemnation from some of the most conservative Senators including Hatch and Graham.

The cracks in his support are beginning to show.

He's not doing himself any favors by pissing off the parents of West Virginia boy scouts with his outrageous political speech the other day.

His tirades against Sessions are getting him nowhere.

His likely veto of the new sanctions bill will meet with a swift override.

Another thing that isn't getting a lot of press, but one that may put more nails in his coffin is his continuing to make a big deal of businesses building or expanding in red states often at the expense of jobs in the red sections of blue states which could affect the 2018 elections "bigly".
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sabin » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:31 am

I'm just going to post this here. We can stop this. Maybe not today, but soon. This is fucking gross.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:30 pm

What's amazing about John McCain's speech is that a Democrat could have made the same speech (with a few details altered). And the outcome - both for the Health Care vote and the events for the next two years - would have been no different. Grand speeches about bipartisanship have as much impact as a pound of feathers.

Oh, and Trump finally called McCain "an American hero". Guess he needed to be sure...
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:45 am

Twitter. But of course. I copied the statement from the White House website where I found it, but I should have figured it was a Tweet.

Well, Obama and Hillary both tweeted their statements, so they're of comparable length. Never mind.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:47 pm

Sonic Youth wrote:This thought just struck me: Has Trump given any kind of statement regarding McCain? I hadn't heard of any, but it turns out he did.

Statement from President Donald J. Trump

Senator John McCain has always been a fighter. Melania and I send our thoughts and prayers to Senator McCain, Cindy, and their entire family. Get well soon.


I have no doubt that the last several presidents, of either party, would have said something a little more lengthy and heartfelt than this little piece of throwaway, assuming he wrote it at all. This is one reason why his numbers are in the toilet. He can't even fake a human touch.

Both Obama and Hillary had statements out before he did; this might have been playing catch-up -- belatedly realizing he looked bad not putting something out.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:47 pm

This thought just struck me: Has Trump given any kind of statement regarding McCain? I hadn't heard of any, but it turns out he did.

Statement from President Donald J. Trump

Senator John McCain has always been a fighter. Melania and I send our thoughts and prayers to Senator McCain, Cindy, and their entire family. Get well soon.


I have no doubt that the last several presidents, of either party, would have said something a little more lengthy and heartfelt than this little piece of throwaway, assuming he wrote it at all. This is one reason why his numbers are in the toilet. He can't even fake a human touch.
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