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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby OscarGuy » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:37 pm

I don't know what cover it could have given Flake and Heller, the two most vulnerable Senators in 2018 as their votes will likely seal their fates with an electorate angry that they capitulated on a likely-fake agreement to not pass the Senate bill in the House.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:10 pm

I was up watching the vote unfold in the 1AM hour. It was grueling, and the feeling after was more relief at surviving impending death than triumph.

There'll be debate whether, in their heart of hearts, GOPers wanted this bill to fail -- knowing that passing it, causing so many to lose insurance so quickly, would lead to electoral disaster next year -- but put up a show of disappointment so their insatiable base would be fooled. Lawrence O'Donnell seems convinced of this -- that the three least-vulnerable-to-base-pressure Senators were chosen to sacrifice themselves so Heller, Flake et al. could go along. But I'm not sure that bears out. Pence was there, ready to cast the ghost vote for majority, and he -- along with Senators like Cornyn, who tried to plead with McCain -- looked genuinely devastated as the evening wore on (after having looked genuinely jubilant pre-midnight). Unless some Senators were in on the scam and some weren't, it's hard to accept this was all dumb-show.

I've always lived in "John McCain gets way too much credit for talking big and doing a few symbolic things" territory, but my hat has to come off to him for being there when it counted last night/this morning. He of course could have ended it two days ago, and doing it this drawn-out way gave him maximum press exposure -- like he was envisioning it as the last scene in his biopic -- but credit for being the reason Obamacare still lives.

I didn't feel a whit of sympathy for Mitch McConnell, especially listening to his whiny sore loser speech afterwards. He had the gall to criticize Dems for holding up votes on appointments -- Merrick Garland spits on him.

My favorite tweet last night: "Apparently Trump's closing argument -- "My Attorney General sucks" -- wasn't enough to push the bill over the line."

It's possible this will be a significant moment in charting Trump's survival. A good number of elected Republicans know full well that Trump is a dangerously incompetent, disgusting moron, but they've been willing to put up with that to get their legislative goals achieved. Now they see they stand at the end of six months with nothing passed, and only the Gorsuch appointment to please them (I realize, that's a big "only" for us, but from their vantage point, not worth the rest of the sturm und drang). This combined with the escalating chaos -- who'd have guessed The Mooch could surpass Spicey for self-parody so quickly? -- and the sense that Mueller's investigation is unearthing major embarrassment, could finally lead some GOPers to start distancing themselves. (However impervious to evidence they've seemed so far.)

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sabin » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:02 pm

The only question I have was whether McCain is a party man who wanted it to go to a vote...so he could vote no, or if the incompetence of the Trump administration's truly awful week (I know they've had worse, but man!) pushed him over the edge. Because if it's the latter, then perhaps the end is actually in sight.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:45 am

McCain has nothing to lose at this point, but there are at least a dozen Republican senators breathing a sigh of relief after he took the bullet for them.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby OscarGuy » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:37 am

I'm grateful that he finally did the right thing, but after years of saying one thing and doing another, McCain does not get my support.

The real heroes here are Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins who showed from the start how to take a principled stand and not back down from it.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:00 am

I turned on C Span last night to watch a "House of Cards" episode, and a "West Wing" episode broke out instead.

And were this a TV show, I'd have even felt bad for the Senate Majority Leader character. And, on a superficial level, it is tough to watch any 75 year old man devastated with the life and spirit drained out of him. But then I remember that this 75 year old man was single-handedly responsible for denying Obama his final Supreme Court justice, and then I don't feel bad in the slightest.

And let's not be so grateful for McCain for pulling away from the edge of the precipice. Who brought us to the precipice in the first place?
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:19 am

Two hopeful new events:

The head of Boys Scouts America apologized for Trump's speech.

McCain cast the deciding vote against the "skinny" Obama repeal bill.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:34 pm

The Original BJ wrote:
Sonic Youth wrote:And that applies to the whole week, actually.


Also the last two years.


The last two years is an excellent argument for reverting back to the tribal lands.

But this week in particular really does stand out. It's like a pimple sitting on a wart.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby The Original BJ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:21 pm

Sonic Youth wrote:And that applies to the whole week, actually.


Also the last two years.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:06 pm

This is not merely the Republicans trying to pass something extremely divisive. That would at least be normal politics. This is utterly embarrassing. It's too embarrassing to even take pleasure in it. And that applies to the whole week, actually. You've all seen that symbol of the snake swallowing its own tail? Right now, that's the GOP and the administration.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:18 pm

In a new low for WTF moments, three Republican U.S. Senators just said they will vote for the Senate-health-care bill only if the House promises not to vote for the bill as it is:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/27/mccain-g ... epeal.html
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:12 pm

He's getting pushback from the Pentagon on this one, as well as condemnation from some of the most conservative Senators including Hatch and Graham.

The cracks in his support are beginning to show.

He's not doing himself any favors by pissing off the parents of West Virginia boy scouts with his outrageous political speech the other day.

His tirades against Sessions are getting him nowhere.

His likely veto of the new sanctions bill will meet with a swift override.

Another thing that isn't getting a lot of press, but one that may put more nails in his coffin is his continuing to make a big deal of businesses building or expanding in red states often at the expense of jobs in the red sections of blue states which could affect the 2018 elections "bigly".
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sabin » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:31 am

I'm just going to post this here. We can stop this. Maybe not today, but soon. This is fucking gross.

https://action.aclu.org/secure/trans-military-ban
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:30 pm

What's amazing about John McCain's speech is that a Democrat could have made the same speech (with a few details altered). And the outcome - both for the Health Care vote and the events for the next two years - would have been no different. Grand speeches about bipartisanship have as much impact as a pound of feathers.

Oh, and Trump finally called McCain "an American hero". Guess he needed to be sure...
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sonic Youth » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:45 am

Twitter. But of course. I copied the statement from the White House website where I found it, but I should have figured it was a Tweet.

Well, Obama and Hillary both tweeted their statements, so they're of comparable length. Never mind.
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