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Postby Precious Doll » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:43 am

Scarlett Johansson speaks out:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/hollywood ... Yn4aM.html

Clearly Dylan Farrow doesn't count:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... sible.html

Typical Hollywood: only when it suits their agenda.
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Postby ITALIANO » Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:11 pm

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dws1982 wrote:
Big Magilla wrote:He was exonerated in court long ago on charges brought by Mia Farrow who many believe put the notion of her then 7-year-old daughter Dylan's being molested by him in her head.

The prosecutor declined to prosecute because he felt he couldn't get a conviction (which is often the case for sexual assault cases, especially those involving children), but that's not exoneration.

This point needs to be highlighted again.


Ok, but I don't understand... Why couldn't he get a conviction? Were there proofs or not? Honestly, the crime Woody Allen was accused of was so serious that, with the needed proofs, he would have certainly been sent to jail (and rightly so).

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby flipp525 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:43 pm

dws1982 wrote:
Big Magilla wrote:He was exonerated in court long ago on charges brought by Mia Farrow who many believe put the notion of her then 7-year-old daughter Dylan's being molested by him in her head.

The prosecutor declined to prosecute because he felt he couldn't get a conviction (which is often the case for sexual assault cases, especially those involving children), but that's not exoneration.

This point needs to be highlighted again.
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Postby ITALIANO » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:48 pm

Precious Doll wrote:I continued to watch his films because I will not boycott anybody's films over events in their personal lives or because of their political views either. Once you start doing that sort of thing, where do you stop?


Exactly.

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Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:47 am

Precious Doll wrote:Allen's affair with his long time girlfriends adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn has torn the Farrow family apart and I cannot muster up any sympathy for Woody Allen. "The heart wants what the heart wants" he stated back in 1992. He also has a brain but clearly no moral compass.


True, but then all these suddenly conscience-stricken actors and actresses in his films since knew that when they signed on to make them.
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Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:43 am

dws1982 wrote:
Big Magilla wrote:He was exonerated in court long ago on charges brought by Mia Farrow who many believe put the notion of her then 7-year-old daughter Dylan's being molested by him in her head.

The prosecutor declined to prosecute because he felt he couldn't get a conviction (which is often the case for sexual assault cases, especially those involving children), but that's not exoneration.

OK.
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Big Magilla wrote:He was exonerated in court long ago on charges brought by Mia Farrow who many believe put the notion of her then 7-year-old daughter Dylan's being molested by him in her head.

The prosecutor declined to prosecute because he felt he couldn't get a conviction (which is often the case for sexual assault cases, especially those involving children), but that's not exoneration.

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Postby Precious Doll » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:36 am

I was a big Woody Allen fan but those allegations back in 1992 certainly made me take a step back. Whilst we will never now if he did or did not molest his adopted daughter, there has been so much conflicting evidence in the press and on the internet over the years that it is virtually impossible to decipher what may be the truth.

But Allen's affair with his long time girlfriends adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn has torn the Farrow family apart and I cannot muster up any sympathy for Woody Allen. "The heart wants want the heart wants" he stated back in 1992. He also has a brain but clearly no moral compass.

I continued to watch his films because I will not boycott anybody's films over events in their personal lives or because of their political views either. Once you start doing that sort of thing, where do you stop?

I feel Allen's films from Sleeper to Bullets Over Broadway, inclusive, as one of the most impressive run of films of virtually any director in the history of cinema. I could watch some of them every week forever and don't think I would get bored. But I'd be lying if I didn't say I haven't gained some pleasure by the decline in his work over the last 20 years. He sometimes gives us some pleasures like Small Time Crooks, You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger, Blue Jasmine, Midnight in Paris & Cafe Society but most of his work has been mediocre at best and embarrassing at worst. I also feel not having a muse to write for (i.e. Diane Keaton & Mia Farrow) and stilted him as a writer. Farrow in particular stretched Allen as a writer/director for which he bestowed on filmgoers some of the most inventive films of his career.
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Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:48 am

God knows I have never been Woody Allen's biggest fan. I have been uneasy about his depiction of young girls since Mariel Hemingway in Manhattan, but I find this current shaming of him abhorrent.

He was exonerated in court long ago on charges brought by Mia Farrow who many believe put the notion of her then 7-year-old daughter Dylan's being molested by him in her head. Her adopted son, Moses, 14 at the time, has publicly come out against her. Dylan's younger brother, Woody's only biological son, Ronan, 4 or 5 at the time, whose investigation exposed Harvey Weinstein, supports her. For decades now, actors have steered clear of taking sides in the dispute. Now, because of the #MeToo movement, it's become fashionable to believe the accuser, even when nothing in the accused's background shows similar behavior. Allen is suddenly toxic for no rational reason.

My first thought when I heard that Timothée Chalamet had given up his salary on Allen's latest film, in which he stars, was is the young actor suddenly so wealthy that he can afford to mimic Mark Wahlberg? With no other films in the offing, Chalamet really isn't in position to throw money around. His career could fizzle as quickly as it took flight this past year. As the worm turns, he could find himself holding the short end of the stick with public opinion swinging back in the other direction.

With more misses than hits since the Farrow breakup, it's probably time for the 82-year-old Allen to give it a rest, but he shouldn't be forced to do so for something that has been out there for more than a quarter of a century with no further clarity now than it had then.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Precious Doll » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:19 am

With developments in recent weeks in relation to the on-going allegations against Woody Allen, I suspect it's very unlikely we will see any new films from Woody Allen. It seems like only yesterday (late 1992) since these first came to light.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/j ... llegations
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Postby ITALIANO » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:55 pm

OscarGuy wrote:We all knew when this started that there would, unfortunately, be opportunists who used the movement as a score-settling mechanism


Well... Actually when I tried to say that I was accused of being pro-rape :D (You can read those posts and see, they aren't even too old.)

But of course it's not just - or always - opportunism. Sabin's girlfriend, I am sure, isn't an opportunist. And like her, many others. It's a much deeper problem, but ok, if you want to see it white-and-black, like in American movies, I give up :)

By the way... Sabin - leave her :wink:

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Postby OscarGuy » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:23 am

We all knew when this started that there would, unfortunately, be opportunists who used the movement as a score-settling mechanism or a fame-getting tool, but we cannot allow these isolated incidents, which are VERY QUICKLY rooted out and exposed and appropriately ridiculed, to stop the momentum of the overall movement.

I find the difference in responses interesting between folks like Ansari and those who are legitimately scummy like Spacey, Hoffman, Douglas, TJ Miller, and Franco. The latter set deny, obfuscate, or otherwise deflect while Ansari acknowledged the problem and handled the whole situation with class even though he knew that the situation had been grossly misrepresented.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby flipp525 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:02 am

Sabin wrote:There's one part of the story that keeps jumping out at me. It's where she says he ordered white wine. She prefers red, but he ordered white. Which makes it seem like she had no control over the course of the evening at all...

Then order your own wine.

It wasn’t white wine that he had ordered. He had an open bottle waiting for both of them to enjoy at his place before they went out to dinner.

That detail was a huge red flag for me (a red flag pointing toward a very entitled millennial woman).
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Postby ITALIANO » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:49 am

Please read what I wrote on this board about this subject. Yes, exactly those posts which led to Oscar Guy accusing me of being a rapist or a potential rapist and implying that I should be banned, to Sonic Youth, Uri and others attacking me in a more subtle but I'd say even nastier way, and most here - except a few who were suppotive either publicly or privately - being cowardly silent. My God, some even wrote about their (certainly terrible) experences on this subject as if I had personally done those to them! At the same time, that confirmed my fears: the witch-hunt had started, as I knew it would.

I had expressed very balanced, very obvious truths. Truths which I knew about because I have a life - I do live, and I know how varied and potentially ambiguous this subject can be, and that while certain acts are OBVIOUSLY wrong, and should be toughly punished (preferably by justice rather than on the web), there is also a grey area which is extremely dangerous and subtle, and can be used either intentionally or even unintentionally in the worst possible way. For the simple reason that while I love sex (unlike, I feel, most of my accusers here I have a very healthy sexual life), I also know how, let's say, complicated it can be. Fascinatingly complicated, I'd add - but still so complex that each case is different, and general theories unfortunately (oh, how simple they are, and how easy it would be if thet could be always applied!) can't exist.

The hysteria here (more American and Israeli than European, I must say) meant that I just had to wait, and soon facts would have confimed my fears. And this is, of course, what's happening now. Some were annoyed when I didn't feel moved by those stars dressed in black at the Golden Globes. I found that hypocritical, and I still feel that way. Some compared such movements to the civil-rights protests of the 60s. I smiled - a sad smile - because I knew that it wasn't the same thing. Definitely not.

Most importantly - there is (I must choose words carefully because Oscar Guy otherwise will have a heart attack) a physical aspect in sex. (This is why I'm not sure that those who attacked me have a healthy sexual life). A contact of bodies which can be sometimes playful, sometimes rough, sometimes even aggressive, and sometimes downright clumsy (one can make mistakes, and maybe for example try to kiss someone who doesn't really want that. Embarassing, of course - but is that sexual harassment)? If one - I repeat: intentionally or not - starts considering these and other thousands different sexual aspects as rape, not only the result is a damage to innocent people, but also a damage to a cause which is, I repeat, right and justified - a damage to the REAL victims of rape and sexual harassment.

And even our own reaction to sexual harassment especially is so... subjective. Oh, before someone says it: sexual harassment is always WRONG if it is REAL - even more wrong if done to those who are in a lower position or who are simply weaker (children, employees, women etc). But even the victims' reaction can be different. When I was much younger - and maybe more attractive than I am now, but definitely more naive - I, like everyone, was groped by strangers in crowded buses, and once assaulted by a married man in his car. Was it annoying? Yes. Was it a tragic shock which marked me for life and still inflences my view of sex? Of course not. I will always defend those who can be hurt by experiences like these - but I personally can't play the role of the tearful victim, I wouldn't be honest, because frankly I considered those as not pleasant but in a way important lessons of life. And life isn't always smooth and easy.

Oh, now the sexophobes will react again. But can I be honest again? In a case of sexual harassment, if I were part of a jury, I feel I'd me more qualified than those who keep attacking me here. Mora balanced, certainly.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sabin » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:56 am

There's one part of the story that keeps jumping out at me. It's where she says he ordered white wine. She prefers red, but he ordered white. Which makes it seem like she had no control over the course of the evening at all...

Then order your own wine.
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