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Postby ITALIANO » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:14 am

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ITALIANO wrote:I know that some here won't agree - they CAN'T - but like it or not ideas can also be judge (by many) based on those who most passionately represent them - and undertandably so. A movement is defined not only by the principles it adheres to, but also by the people who lead it. And there's always something wrong with fanatics - be they in the MeToo movement, on this board, or anywhere else. The ultimate result? A loss of credibility not just for the movement itself - which I never believed in, of course, but many even here did - but for the ideas it promoted, some of which are absolutely right.

And no, before some idiot starts again, I am not pro-sexual harassment, etc.


Italiano you can say what you want. Haters gonna hate even if you provide "disclaimers" like you just did in your closing paragraph :D . It's all about vision. A lot of it is limited unfortunately and prone to hysterical accusations which this "movement" is also starting to bear witness to. The "movement" IS important of course, especially in theory, but getting into the nitty gritty of it is like shit hitting the fan. Only in a bad way where it is now being used as a tool to get satisfaction.


I'm sure that even in MeToo there are many sincere - and sincerely committed - people. And even its leaders are probably honest - their main problem (like in other, completely different movements) is fanaticism, which is never the best, most effective way to face a problem - even a real problem like the one MeToo deals with.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Reza » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:37 am

ITALIANO wrote:I know that some here won't agree - they CAN'T - but like it or not ideas can also be judge (by many) based on those who most passionately represent them - and undertandably so. A movement is defined not only by the principles it adheres to, but also by the people who lead it. And there's always something wrong with fanatics - be they in the MeToo movement, on this board, or anywhere else. The ultimate result? A loss of credibility not just for the movement itself - which I never believed in, of course, but many even here did - but for the ideas it promoted, some of which are absolutely right.

And no, before some idiot starts again, I am not pro-sexual harassment, etc.


Italiano you can say what you want. Haters gonna hate even if you provide "disclaimers" like you just did in your closing paragraph :D . It's all about vision. A lot of it is limited unfortunately and prone to hysterical accusations which this "movement" is also starting to bear witness to. The "movement" IS important of course, especially in theory, but getting into the nitty gritty of it is like shit hitting the fan. Only in a bad way where it is now being used as a tool to get satisfaction.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:22 am

I know that some here won't agree - they CAN'T - but like it or not ideas can also be judge (by many) based on those who most passionately represent them - and undertandably so. A movement is defined not only by the principles it adheres to, but also by the people who lead it. And there's always something wrong with fanatics - be they in the MeToo movement, on this board, or anywhere else. The ultimate result? A loss of credibility not just for the movement itself - which I never believed in, of course, but many even here did - but for the ideas it promoted, some of which are absolutely right.

And no, before some idiot starts again, I am not pro-sexual harassment, etc.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Precious Doll » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:11 pm

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I hope you all realize how ridiculous all this is getting.


Yep. Asia is proceeding with her lawsuit against Rose McGowan. I don't think she has a hope in hell of winning:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/asi ... ccounter=1
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Postby ITALIANO » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:54 pm

In the meantime Asia Argento has been fired from the Italian version of X-Factor, which is ironic not only because nothing has been proved yet, but most importantly because in this country (Italy) what she may have done with this Jimmy Bennett would be perfectly legal. I would never do it, but like it or not, in Italy and in several other European countries it would be legal. But of course this calvinistic approach has become fashionable, and Italy is sadly copying the US.

Anf next Sunday, a very popular talk show will have as a special guest - directly from America - Jimmy Bennett in person, paid (obviously) very, very well for his trip here.

I hope you all realize how ridiculous all this is getting.

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Postby Precious Doll » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:28 pm

More development in relation to Asia Argento, this time in relation to Rose McGowan twitter comments:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/s ... se-mcgowan

Also Sean Penn weighs in with his thoughts on the #metoo movement, which appear to be somewhat typical of someone who has never been on the receiving end of abuse and violence:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/s ... -criticism
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Postby Precious Doll » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:44 am

The Asia Argento/Jimmy Bennett story just keeps going and getting crazier:

https://deadline.com/2018/09/asia-argen ... 202457887/

Speaking of MeToo, I attending a talk/interview given by Ronan Farrow about 9 days ago. Most of the talk and interview focused on journalism, broadly covering MeToo but also his book War on Peace and his upcoming book Catch and Kill which appears to deal with powerful people having stories about themselves repressed by the media by dubious means (my words). He didn't want to say much about his upcoming book.

He talked about the struggles of the media the break stories and how the U.S. under the current administration, due to its isolationist policies is allowing China to fill the void in diplomatic relations that the U.S. once held no. 1 position.

Farrow was a voice of reason and common sense when compared to rantings of Steven Bannon just last Monday night on an Australian current affairs program 4 Corners in which he had a one on one interview with Adele Ferguson (one of Australia's best and most respected investigative journalists) - garbled nonsense was all she could get from him along with some unwarranted abuse.

Anyway back to Ronan Farrow, the whole thing lasted exactly one hour and a lot was covered. He appeared to also allude to the Asia Argento controversy as he mentioned something of a blowback during the past week. He didn't mention any actress by name and he may have been referring the MeToo story but that was how I took it and I most certainly could be wrong in assuming that.

The only person from the film world that was even spoke of besides Harvey was his grandfather John Farrow who he mentioned was Australian that caused a collective large gasp from the audience. That was the funniest moment of a rather sombre talk/interview.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:03 am

Precious Doll wrote:This is getting more messy by the day: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/entert ... 4zz75.html


Yeah... Not the most edifying story ever. Let me just say that in Italy going to bed with a 17-year-old wouldn't be a crime at all. But of course it's different in California.

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Postby Precious Doll » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:02 am

This is getting more messy by the day: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/entert ... 4zz75.html
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:25 am

Precious Doll wrote:Given all the recent Asia Argento publicity I will take this opportunity to recommend a film that she directed and co-wrote which I understand to have autobiographical elements titled Incompresa (Misunderstood) from 2014. Argento herself has an unbilled small role in the film. It's on Amazon Prime.


I haven't seen this one.

Also - let me add (since there are all kinds of rumors in Italy now) that while a victim of sexual harassment is, of course, always THE victim, a victim of sexual harassment who in turns, blackmails his or her harasser is also guilty - though of another type of crime. I'm not saying that this is what happened in this case, but it CAN happen, though I'm sure this will shock the many puritans here.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Precious Doll » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:03 am

Given all the recent Asia Argento publicity I will take this opportunity to recommend a film that she directed and co-wrote which I understand to have autobiographical elements titled Incompresa (Misunderstood) from 2014. Argento herself has an unbilled small role in the film. It's on Amazon Prime.

Can't say I share the same enthusiasm for The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things which is bound to receive a lot of renewed interest. To be honest I can't even remember the film but I know that I have seen it.

I had to chuckle when I read Magilla post of not knowing of Asia Argento until #MeToo because I'd never heard of Anthony Bourdain until his death made headlines and I only read just a couple of weeks ago that he and Asia had been a couple.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:21 am

In Italy she's very famous, though I'd say more for her private and quite eventful life than for her work as an actress and as a director. As an actress, she's always been more an interesting presence than a true talent, and as a director her movies, while dealing with strong issues, have always been quite disappointing and amateurish.
Of course, being the daughter of such a popularl director means that she's famous since she was a child.
"Messy" is the right word to describe this situation - but also to describe Argento's life which, while obviously privileged, has always been controversial. To her credit, I have always felt - and I've met her a few times - that she's at least "honestly" controversial, that her public fights, her unhappy love affairs often with very problematic men, her shocking statements were at least genuine. Only in this Weinstein case I felt that - while, again, probably sincere - she was also using it to get back to international fame. (Even in Italy she had just taken part as a contestant in our edition of Dancing with the Stars, which at least here is a sign of having seen better days).
And for a short time she actually was internationally famous - she made movies in France, Uk, and in the US - the most commercially successful being xXx with Vin Diesel - when Vin Diesel was a star.
Now, again I can't say anything about this last turn of so many turns in her complicated life. Like Big Magilla, even I have found her version not totally plausible, but with Asia Argento you never know (by the way, this could make her lose a very well-paid job as a judge in the next Italian edition of the talent show X Factor, which she's supposed to start in September). But definitely, her confused and often contradictory words and actions, on many subjects, not just this one, didn't make her the ideal spokeperson of a movement which I already had some problems with (I am talking about the movement only, not the cause itself of course).

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Big Magilla » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:10 am

I don't know her and I don't know him, but his story sounds more plausible.

I never heard of Asia Argento before the #MeToo Movement and then only as Anthony Bourdain's girlfriend. I thought she was some minor actress. I had no idea she was Dario Argento's daughter or that she was a successful actress/director.

Turns out I have seen Jimmy Bennett in a few things, most notably as Michelle Monaghan's son in 2008's Trucker, but the name didn't mean anything to me.

In one of the articles about her denial, not the one I referenced, she cites the fact that Bennett sued his parents for money as evidence of his being no good. Show business history is full of former child stars who sued their parents for stealing their money. If it's true that he thought of her as a second mother as indicated in some of the coverage, then her plying him with alcohol and raping him would explain the trauma. First she says there was no sexual activity n that hotel room, then she says she fell asleeep and woke up with hm on top of her. Still, his coming to her for hush money instead of going to the authorities with his story constitutes extortion and doesn't put him in a good light either.

Very messy business, this.
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Postby ITALIANO » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:05 pm




True or not, I love crazy Italians :D

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