Reza wrote:ITALIANO wrote:I know that some here won't agree - they CAN'T - but like it or not ideas can also be judge (by many) based on those who most passionately represent them - and undertandably so. A movement is defined not only by the principles it adheres to, but also by the people who lead it. And there's always something wrong with fanatics - be they in the MeToo movement, on this board, or anywhere else. The ultimate result? A loss of credibility not just for the movement itself - which I never believed in, of course, but many even here did - but for the ideas it promoted, some of which are absolutely right.
And no, before some idiot starts again, I am not pro-sexual harassment, etc.
Italiano you can say what you want. Haters gonna hate even if you provide "disclaimers" like you just did in your closing paragraph . It's all about vision. A lot of it is limited unfortunately and prone to hysterical accusations which this "movement" is also starting to bear witness to. The "movement" IS important of course, especially in theory, but getting into the nitty gritty of it is like shit hitting the fan. Only in a bad way where it is now being used as a tool to get satisfaction.
I'm sure that even in MeToo there are many sincere - and sincerely committed - people. And even its leaders are probably honest - their main problem (like in other, completely different movements) is fanaticism, which is never the best, most effective way to face a problem - even a real problem like the one MeToo deals with.