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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:14 am

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Mister Tee wrote:Even if you assume her story is 100% accurate (and, we can't help but notice, she appears regularly on Sean Hannity's show, and the dread Roger Stone was given enough heads-up on the story to tweet about it last night), to equate this with sexual assault confirms my fear that any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. What Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and Kevin Spacey are accused of doing is genuinely horrible; what Franken did (in the first case, and maybe even the second) was puerile.


Whether this is true or not should have absolutely no bearing on the fact that I just made the most epic prediction ever!


The prediction in itself isn't epic, of course. I thought it was quite obvious actually. But the way it was misunderstood - leading to you and others accusing me of being pro-rape and pro- paedophilia (I had never mentioned children, of course!) - was of epic proportions, really. Of hysterically epic proportions.


"I just made the most epic prediction ever" meaning I just predicted Senator Al Franken would be the next politician to get caught up in the accusations. This renders your response to me a complete non-sequitur.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:46 am

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Mister Tee wrote:Even if you assume her story is 100% accurate (and, we can't help but notice, she appears regularly on Sean Hannity's show, and the dread Roger Stone was given enough heads-up on the story to tweet about it last night), to equate this with sexual assault confirms my fear that any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. What Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and Kevin Spacey are accused of doing is genuinely horrible; what Franken did (in the first case, and maybe even the second) was puerile.


Whether this is true or not should have absolutely no bearing on the fact that I just made the most epic prediction ever!


The prediction in itself isn't epic, of course. I thought it was quite obvious actually. But the way it was misunderstood - leading to you and others accusing me of being pro-rape and pro- paedophilia (I had never mentioned children, of course!) - was of epic proportions, really. Of hysterically epic proportions. And very interesting, I think. This board has helped me alot through the years - not only when it comes to movies and the Oscars, as the level of discussions is one of the highest on the web. But also when it comes to, let's say, the way group mentality works (and not only in America. But only in America a simple photo of a person looking at another signing autographs can be commented in the way I've seen on some sites). I am always a bit scared by such attitude, but, I swear, not when it's about me here - I've stopped taking you seriously long ago, so, believe me, you can attack me any time you want, dont worry - but when I imagine how it can be applied to others, in much more important contexts. But I guess that what I find scary, others can find reassuring. And that's of course one of the reasons why such reactions happen.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:48 pm

Mister Tee wrote:Even if you assume her story is 100% accurate (and, we can't help but notice, she appears regularly on Sean Hannity's show, and the dread Roger Stone was given enough heads-up on the story to tweet about it last night), to equate this with sexual assault confirms my fear that any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. What Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and Kevin Spacey are accused of doing is genuinely horrible; what Franken did (in the first case, and maybe even the second) was puerile.


Whether this is true or not should have absolutely no bearing on the fact that I just made the most epic prediction ever!
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:50 am

Mister Tee wrote: any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. .


Which is exactly what I predicted would happen. And more WILL happen, trust me.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:34 pm

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Big Magilla wrote:The state to worry about is New Jersey. If the ethics committee recommends and the senate agrees to expel Menendez before his Democratic successor takes over, Chris Christie gets to name his replacement.


Why would this happen when the prosecution ended in mistrial?


It shouldn't, of course, and hopefully won't, but there have been calls from the Rebubs to do just that.

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Big Magilla wrote:I don't want to fall into the habit of defending people just because they're on my side, but the initial reaction to Al Franken strikes me as pretty hysterically over the top. He posed for a douchey, meant-to-be-funny-in-a-frat-boy-way-but-wasn't photo (where he isn't touching the woman), and of kissing that woman way harder than she was expecting (though this detail he disputes). Even if you assume her story is 100% accurate (and, we can't help but notice, she appears regularly on Sean Hannity's show, and the dread Roger Stone was given enough heads-up on the story to tweet about it last night), to equate this with sexual assault confirms my fear that any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. What Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and Kevin Spacey are accused of doing is genuinely horrible; what Franken did (in the first case, and maybe even the second) was puerile. If there are additional women who accuse him of the kissing maneuver the woman mentions, then he's got job trouble. But if this is essentially a one-off, I think it's ridiculous to say he should resign.


Breaking now, the tweeter-in-chief wants to know where Franken's hands were "in pictures 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6?" while still staying mute on Moore. He, not Franken, is the one who should resign, but that won't happen. Franken will survive this, but already the so-called liberal media is blowing this up way out of proportion the way they did Hillary's e-maisl to show their impartiality, as if what Franken did is anywhre near equal to the disgusting, criminal things Moore did.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Mister Tee » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:03 pm

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Sabin wrote:The state to worry about is New Jersey. If the ethics committee recommends and the senate agrees to expel Menendez before his Democratic successor takes over, Chris Christie gets to name his replacement.


Why would this happen when the prosecution ended in mistrial?

I don't want to fall into the habit of defending people just because they're on my side, but the initial reaction to Al Franken strikes me as pretty hysterically over the top. He posed for a douchey, meant-to-be-funny-in-a-frat-boy-way-but-wasn't photo (where he isn't touching the woman), and of kissing that woman way harder than she was expecting (though this detail he disputes). Even if you assume her story is 100% accurate (and, we can't help but notice, she appears regularly on Sean Hannity's show, and the dread Roger Stone was given enough heads-up on the story to tweet about it last night), to equate this with sexual assault confirms my fear that any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. What Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and Kevin Spacey are accused of doing is genuinely horrible; what Franken did (in the first case, and maybe even the second) was puerile. If there are additional women who accuse him of the kissing maneuver the woman mentions, then he's got job trouble. But if this is essentially a one-off, I think it's ridiculous to say he should resign.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:00 pm

Sabin wrote:Working today but here a thought...if the tax plan doesn’t pass the senate will they cry foul bc Franken should have resigned?

What would Franken's resignation have to do with it? The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat. He would replace him with another Democrat.

The state to worry about is New Jersey. If the ethics committee recommends and the senate agrees to expel Menendez before his Democratic successor takes over, Chris Christie gets to name his replacement.

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Postby Sabin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:35 pm

Working today but here a thought...if the tax plan doesn’t pass the senate will they cry foul bc Franken should have resigned?
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:50 pm

I didn't think it would've happened in 2006, though!
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Postby FilmFan720 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:35 am

Sonic Youth wrote:BTW, before we get too smug about this... you know this is eventually going to happen to a Democrat too, right? My money's on Al Franken.


Damn it, Sonic Youth!

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Postby dws1982 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:55 am

dws1982 wrote:A group of pastors from Alabama signed a letter of support for Moore today. As a Christian this is one of the more shameful things I've seen in the fallout of these scandals. As one person on Twitter put it, if you support Moore at this point, you should just admit that party ID is more important than common decency and give up any claim to moral authority or religious virtue.

Okay, so more context on this letter: It was actually compiled and signed early in the primary process. Moore (and his wife, apparently) brought it out and tried to pass it off as some new showing of support, and many of the pastors who had signed it have demanded that their names be removed. Of course I don't think a pastor has any business publicly endorsing political candidates at all, and I have to question their theology if they were supporting Moore at any point, but at least it's not as bad as it sounded.

And several Democrats have explicitly stated that Moore should be expelled, so I'm going to say your scenario seems unlikely, OG. For all the crap Moore has been talking about McConnell, if he gets to the Senate he's going to vote with him that majority of the time, except on the occasions where McConnell is doing something that needs bipartisan support.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sabin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:47 pm

The Onion just posted the headine: Roy Moore Refusing To Withdraw From Alabama 13-Year-Old
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Mister Tee » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:12 pm

In a sane world, this would be the end of it, but who knows now:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... n-mall/amp

OscarGuy, I understand the Machiavellian idea of Dems making GOPers stew in a Moore Senate election, but I think they have more character than that (or will at least want to be perceived as having it); they'll go along with an expulsion vote, if it comes to that.

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Postby OscarGuy » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:13 pm

Don't count on Dems to vote to expel. As a loose cannon, Moore does more harm to the Republican Party and its agenda than a traditional Republican (Alabama's governor) appointing another traditional Republican to fill Moore's vacated seat. That's a reliable vote for McConnell. Moore would become about as useful to the Republicans as Rand Paul is.

All they have to say is: "The citizens of Alabama chose to appoint a pedophile to the U.S. Senate. That was their choice. If the Republicans wish to put party above propriety, they deserve what they get."

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby dws1982 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:47 pm

With the new allegations coming out about Moore, I think it's only a matter of time before something is done. I doubt he drops out, because he's such a stubborn hardass, but the Republican party has turned on him (so now he's naturally resorting to "drain the swamp" garbage). If he does get elected, I think the votes are there to expel him.

You'd need all the Democrats and 19 Republicans, and I think you can find enough Republicans to vote for expulsion.

Kay Ivey now seems to be toying with the idea of moving the election date--her last statement had been that the election would go forward as planned.

A group of pastors from Alabama signed a letter of support for Moore today. As a Christian this is one of the more shameful things I've seen in the fallout of these scandals. As one person on Twitter put it, if you support Moore at this point, you should just admit that party ID is more important than common decency and give up any claim to moral authority or religious virtue.


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