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Postby ITALIANO » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:31 pm

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As I've said before, there's a witch hunt going on that will take the innocent with the guilty.


Exactly.

Which is a pity, of course - sexual harassment IS a serious theme, and should be exposed and condemned (condemned by a judge in a trial, hopefully, rather than by hysterical newspapers and websites, but still condemned). But when you read some of these tales, you realize that it could quickly become a farce. Because if EVERYTHING is sexual harassment - including a bad joke, or a glance in a badly-taken photo - then NOTHING is sexual harassment: the result is avoiding or belittling the problem, rather than solving it. This was my warning, days ago - but while some perfectly understood what I meant, the sexophobes here chose to attack me; in their fanatic puritanism, they hated me because, I think, deep inside, they felt I was depriving them of a secret, long-repressed, satisfaction. It's The Scarlet Letter all over again - that American masterpiece is still so relevant today, so subtle in its portrayal of hypocrisy and repression.

I have been patient - I knew and still know that I was right. I have never liked public burnings at the stake - they are too easy a solution. What's happening now (I mean, have you read that woman's story from 2010?!) is a sign that a dangerous climate is developing, and I don't like it. Oh, this Democratic politician may turn out to be a monster in the future, I have no idea - but what I see now, as Big Magilla says, is closer to witch hunting than to a balanced analysis. And things could get worse - not for him maybe, but for others.

The sexophobes here didn't have their own stories (they are so distant from real life - how could they?) so, interestingly, they used other members' true and painful stories (mostly of abuse they suffered when they were children) against me - as if I was justifying their molesters. Absurd - but this is, sadly the way it works. THOSE were - I am sure - real and terrible stories. But other stories are different. Less honest, sometimes.

We have all been young. We have all made mistakes. We have all made tastleless jokes, or done things which, while absolutely innocent, could be looked at with malice and used against us. This is the dark side of all this. And when this dark side takes over, all the good efforts - of women who are REALLY victims, and have found the strength to speak openly - will be considerably damaged, and become less effective.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Big Magilla » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:37 pm

Sonic Youth wrote:But now I'm intrigued, Magilla. You're not saying you know better what an ass-grab feels like than a woman does, are you? :P


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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:32 pm

Big Magilla wrote:Really? He grabbed her butt or that's where his hand landed when he pulled her in tight to take his umpteenth picture of the day? And in front of her husband? Give me a break.


First, let me clarify. What I should've said was I think it's likely that there will be more accusations coming up - maybe not, but I'm getting a bad feeling about where this is going - and if that's so, and if they are true, then he should step aside. I mean, he has to know there will be more accusations if they exist. He should just spare himself and his party the humiliation. I certainly don't think this incident BY ITSELF should be a career ender. Not at all.

(I tried to qualify the above the best I could.)

But now I'm intrigued, Magilla. You're not saying you know better what an ass-grab feels like than a woman does, are you? :P
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Postby Sabin » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:03 pm

Weapon of choice against every Democrat running for re-election. The bar has been set at butt-grabbing. This could be very bad.

But most disconcerting, let’s hope nobody can find anything on Mueller.
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Postby OscarGuy » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:12 am

Franken's ex-staffers have also come out in defense of him saying he never treated any of them with anything but respect and support.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Big Magilla » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:03 am

Really? He grabbed her butt or that's where his hand landed when he pulled her in tight to take his umpteenth picture of the day? And in front of her husband? Give me a break.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:51 am

Woman says Franken inappropriately touched her in 2010
By MJ Lee, CNN National Politics Reporter

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/ ... index.html

I was on the fence about what to do with Franken when the first allegations came out. Not any more. Now there's another woman, which means there will be 20 more and we haven't even delved into the offices of NBC studios in the 1970s yet. Fortunately, it's Thanksgiving week. Al's lucky. He can make a quiet exit on Wed. or Fri. with barely anyone noticing.

The lesson here: never expect accusations to stop at one.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Big Magilla » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 am

Precious Doll wrote:It's just a link to an opinion piece of which more will follow. It will certainly could be a potentially very awkward viewing experience.

But this on-going scandal, with new allegations emerging almost daily, are changing the entertainment industry and how people view it.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/aw ... fcc24ff69b

I'm assuming the Kyle Smith who wrote this is the arch-conservative former N.Y. Post critic, and not some Australian dude with the same name.

Yes, we can expect more of the same from the righteous right and the indignant left, while those in the middle mostly shrug.

I don't know anything about Jeffrey Tambor off-screen, but if the accusations are true, then he did the right thing in walking off Transparent. If they're not, then he should have held his ground and waited to be vindicated, but one can certainly understand his wanting to distance himself from the fray.

As I've said before, there's a witch hunt going on that will take the innocent with the guilty.

How do the mainstream Republicans get to give the middle finger to that odious hypocritical pig from Alabama while playing footsie with Trump?

How do Trump and Clarence Thomas get to keep their jobs while Bill Clinton gets re-tried on TV and in the press by card-carrying liberals as well as conservatives?

Why do little old ladies in New Jersey pass along Conservative News articles with screaming headlines like "why is no one talking about Joe Biden getting naked in front of a female secret service agent?"

They're not going to cancel the Oscars, or the Globes, or any of the other awards shows, but it will be interesting to see which A-listers show up as presenters and which ones don't.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Precious Doll » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 am

It's just a link to an opinion piece of which more will follow. It will certainly could be a potentially very awkward viewing experience.

But this on-going scandal, with new allegations emerging almost daily, are changing the entertainment industry and how people view it.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/aw ... fcc24ff69b
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Greg » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:33 pm

Jeffrey Tambor Announces He's Leaving Transparent Amid Sexual Harassment Allegations:

http://people.com/tv/jeffrey-tambor-not ... ansparent/
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:13 pm

Sonic Youth wrote:
"I just made the most epic prediction ever" meaning I just predicted Senator Al Franken would be the next politician to get caught up in the accusations. This renders your response to me a complete non-sequitur.


Good to know :D

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:14 am

ITALIANO wrote:
Sonic Youth wrote:
Mister Tee wrote:Even if you assume her story is 100% accurate (and, we can't help but notice, she appears regularly on Sean Hannity's show, and the dread Roger Stone was given enough heads-up on the story to tweet about it last night), to equate this with sexual assault confirms my fear that any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. What Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and Kevin Spacey are accused of doing is genuinely horrible; what Franken did (in the first case, and maybe even the second) was puerile.


Whether this is true or not should have absolutely no bearing on the fact that I just made the most epic prediction ever!


The prediction in itself isn't epic, of course. I thought it was quite obvious actually. But the way it was misunderstood - leading to you and others accusing me of being pro-rape and pro- paedophilia (I had never mentioned children, of course!) - was of epic proportions, really. Of hysterically epic proportions.


"I just made the most epic prediction ever" meaning I just predicted Senator Al Franken would be the next politician to get caught up in the accusations. This renders your response to me a complete non-sequitur.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:46 am

Sonic Youth wrote:
Mister Tee wrote:Even if you assume her story is 100% accurate (and, we can't help but notice, she appears regularly on Sean Hannity's show, and the dread Roger Stone was given enough heads-up on the story to tweet about it last night), to equate this with sexual assault confirms my fear that any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. What Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and Kevin Spacey are accused of doing is genuinely horrible; what Franken did (in the first case, and maybe even the second) was puerile.


Whether this is true or not should have absolutely no bearing on the fact that I just made the most epic prediction ever!


The prediction in itself isn't epic, of course. I thought it was quite obvious actually. But the way it was misunderstood - leading to you and others accusing me of being pro-rape and pro- paedophilia (I had never mentioned children, of course!) - was of epic proportions, really. Of hysterically epic proportions. And very interesting, I think. This board has helped me alot through the years - not only when it comes to movies and the Oscars, as the level of discussions is one of the highest on the web. But also when it comes to, let's say, the way group mentality works (and not only in America. But only in America a simple photo of a person looking at another signing autographs can be commented in the way I've seen on some sites). I am always a bit scared by such attitude, but, I swear, not when it's about me here - I've stopped taking you seriously long ago, so, believe me, you can attack me any time you want, dont worry - but when I imagine how it can be applied to others, in much more important contexts. But I guess that what I find scary, others can find reassuring. And that's of course one of the reasons why such reactions happen.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:48 pm

Mister Tee wrote:Even if you assume her story is 100% accurate (and, we can't help but notice, she appears regularly on Sean Hannity's show, and the dread Roger Stone was given enough heads-up on the story to tweet about it last night), to equate this with sexual assault confirms my fear that any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. What Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK and Kevin Spacey are accused of doing is genuinely horrible; what Franken did (in the first case, and maybe even the second) was puerile.


Whether this is true or not should have absolutely no bearing on the fact that I just made the most epic prediction ever!
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:50 am

Mister Tee wrote: any and all gaucheries are going to start being lumped together. .


Which is exactly what I predicted would happen. And more WILL happen, trust me.


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