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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:38 pm

Greg wrote:
Sonic Youth wrote:. . . but he's a creep and so is Barton (who I actually felt bad for at first). . .


I thought everything about Barton involved consenting adults.


Well, that is a difference, yes. It really should be no one's business. He has an appalling lack of judgement, though.
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Postby Greg » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:32 pm

Sonic Youth wrote:. . . but he's a creep and so is Barton (who I actually felt bad for at first). . .


I thought everything about Barton involved consenting adults.
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Postby Sonic Youth » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:20 pm

taki15 wrote:Don't be so hard on Lauer. He was just helping a fellow sexual predator.


Wasn't sure who you meant at first, but now I think I do.

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/29/matt-l ... y-scandal/

I see a sliding scale forming. The Garrison Keillor accusation really does look like a big pile of nothing, and no, you can't compare Franken to Moore, but he's a creep and so is Barton (who I actually felt bad for at first). That's quite a way to cap off a legacy, Mr. Conyers. I'll wait until everything has come out about President Smallhands before evaluating him, and it will come out. Moore, Weinstein and Spacey may be the top of their echelons, but Matt Lauer... wow. I don't know if he's the worst of them all, but he's clearly the most evil.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby taki15 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:42 pm

Don't be so hard on Lauer. He was just helping a fellow sexual predator.

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Postby Big Magilla » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:13 am

Sonic Youth wrote:
Greg wrote:This is an even bigger surprise than Charlie Rose.


Eh, not really. Because nothing surprises anymore.

But Matt Lauer takes the cake, wears the crown, whatever cliche you want to use. Just dumbfounding.

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-l ... 202625959/

The special lock he installed for his office.... the lengths NBC went to in order to protect this guy, up to and including this morning... all totally normal, right? I mean, people are not perfect and you gotta think of the bottom line.

(BTW, it was amusing to read that Keillor's wife - a classical violinist - is named Jenny Lind Nilsson. Classical music aficionados will understand.)

I was as shocked as you can be these days by Charlie Rose, but not Matt Lauer. I never liked him, always thought he was a phony. That hardboiled interview of Hillary and softball interview of Trump last year was the last straw, not that I ever watched him much anyway, but after that I couldn't take him at all.

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Postby Precious Doll » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:51 am

These scandals are spreading worldwide as they should. This is a rundown on a 'popular' Australian gardening TV host. I've never seen the show and have never given the man a second thought - would recognise him if I walked past him - but apparently he is a huge celebrity. Don't read if eating, it is beyond sickening behaviour spanning over 20 years:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/ce ... f2227a365c
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Postby Precious Doll » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:34 am

"I have no interest in all of that. I find that all tabloid stupidity" Woody Allen, The Guardian, 2014, in response to his adopted daughter's allegations.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Sonic Youth » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:54 pm

Greg wrote:This is an even bigger surprise than Charlie Rose.


Eh, not really. Because nothing surprises anymore.

But Matt Lauer takes the cake, wears the crown, whatever cliche you want to use. Just dumbfounding.

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-l ... 202625959/

The special lock he installed for his office.... the lengths NBC went to in order to protect this guy, up to and including this morning... all totally normal, right? I mean, people are not perfect and you gotta think of the bottom line.

(BTW, it was amusing to read that Keillor's wife - a classical violinist - is named Jenny Lind Nilsson. Classical music aficionados will understand.)
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Greg » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:59 pm

This is an even bigger surprise than Charlie Rose.

Garrison Keillor Accused Of 'Inappropriate Behavior,' Minnesota Public Radio Says:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... radio-says
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby OscarGuy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:47 am

Stop comparing Al Franken to Roy Moore.

Roy Moore is a child predator and has been accused by several women.

Al Franken groped two women and has had two dozen (his former staffers and his former SNL colleagues) come forward and say the were never treated with anything but respect.

They are not equivalent. They will never be equivalent. Franken might be a tad bit skeezy at times, but he's not a fucking predator, especially not a CHILD predator.

This has zero to do with politics. Republicans tend to largely defend their predators whereas Dems tend to run them out on a rail. Clinton is not germane to the situation as we are in different clime today than we were two decades ago. It does not excuse what he did, but the two situations are not even remotely similar. Clinton hasn't been a candidate in two decades. Moore IS a candidate and whether you agree with what Clinton did or not, again, the two are NOT the same. Moore is a CHILD PREDATOR. There is no moral equivalence.
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Postby Big Magilla » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:47 am

As I said before, the charges against Clinton were dismissed because of all the proven false charges against him in other instances. And, again, he isn't running for anything!

I agree that if here are substantial charges against Franken he should e treated the same as any other politician and he should be drummed out of office as quickly as uber liberals Harvey Weinstein and Charlie Rose were dumped, but so far the charges have been more than a little on the silly side. Turn off Fox News!

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Postby criddic3 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:24 am

Big Magilla wrote:
criddic3 wrote:Clinton is getting hit on his past again because in the Age of Trump, many people realize how much he got away with simply because of politics. If we're going to go after the Roy Moores of the world and say he shouldn't be a Senator, then we have to be honest about how hypocritical it is to look the other way for other people.


What did Clinton do that wasn't known twenty years ago? I may be a little fuzzy on the facts, but as I recall, his relationships with those women were consensual. He was neither a predator nor a child molester. The damnable thing about the whole mess was the cover-up. It's a shame that despite all his accomplishments, the quote most of us remember from his days in the White House is "I did not have sex with that woman."

criddic3 wrote:On the other hand, we now have people rushing to Al Franken and Roy Moore's defense based on ideological grounds.


I don't find any evidence of people defending Franken on ideological grounds. No one is saying what he did in the first reported incident was excusable, but it hardly rises to the level of what Moore or Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey or Charlie Rose did. I found the second reported Franken incident silly, but then those old pictures of him grabbing Ariana Huffington surfaced, making me wonder if he really didn't grab that woman by the butt on purpose. Still, it's nothing compared to what those other men did, and in some instances (Weinstein, Spacey) were still doing when the reports surfaced.


It is true that Clinton has not been accused of being a child molester, but has been accused of rape which had been dismissed by a lot of people in the past. An open letter was released in which 30-some-odd women came to Franken's defense saying he's an "upstanding public servant" or to that effect, similar to how those on the political right are saying that Roy Moore should be given the benefit of the doubt because it will the serve conservative cause. It seems like people are willing to dismiss or set aside allegations like this when the person in question agrees with their political ideology. We can't have it both ways. Either everyone accused has to face the music or we all need to step back and let these people defend themselves without judgment until a conclusion can be made about their guilt, and how their actions should be dealt with if that is the case. I don't think it's helpful to say "he may have done something bad but let's overlook that for now to keep that seat in our column," which seems to be happening in both cases.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby ITALIANO » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:32 pm

No, it doesn't necessarily have to do with power, but yes. physical attractiveness doesn't have anything to do with it.

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Postby OscarGuy » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:02 pm

It's about power. That's my point. Assault, abuse, rape, and harassment is about power, not about physical attractiveness. My point is that he would have had plenty of offers, meaning that unless he was a Grade A douchebag, he never would have had to assault, or rape, or harass someone. Attractive people who abuse others do it because of power, not because they don't have women (and men) who are readily willing to engage in physical relations with them.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby flipp525 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:49 pm

OscarGuy wrote:Attractive people generally don't have to solicit sex or force others into sex.

This is a truly ridiculous assertion.
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