Critics' 10 Best Lists

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Postby Sabin » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:08 pm

...I will say re: my comments about The Year of Consensus, Breaking Bad and My Dark Twisted Fantasy really are the best television show and album of the year respectively.

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Both critics are EW give it to The Social Network...Call it the year of total consensus.

Another message board did this experiment. Awards season last year, a few members were complaining why The Hurt Locker is winning everything so they decided to vote on their own "top" list. Around 20+ people participated in the exercise and the votes were tabulated: The Hurt Locker still won. The one who did the tabulating even calculated it in several ways (point system, weighted ballots, straight majority, etc.) and The Hurt Locker still came out the winner.

But a top ten list isn't aggregate! A top ten reflects individual choices. Critics groups, I understand. Top ten lists? I don't. There are only a handful of films this year that could weather the aggregate process of critics groups. There are years where there are, and this and last year there were not. But these top ten lists are just pathetic. I have seen only 36 films this year and The Social Network only currently ranks ninth because I have not seen two more films I'd place at ***1/2.
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Postby anonymous1980 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:43 pm

Sabin wrote:Both critics are EW give it to The Social Network.

EW is also calling Breaking Bad the best TV show on the air and My Dark Twisted Fantasy the best album of the year. Call it the year of total consensus.

Another message board did this experiment. Awards season last year, a few members were complaining why The Hurt Locker is winning everything so they decided to vote on their own "top" list. Around 20+ people participated in the exercise and the votes were tabulated: The Hurt Locker still won. The one who did the tabulating even calculated it in several ways (point system, weighted ballots, straight majority, etc.) and The Hurt Locker still came out the winner.

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Postby Sabin » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:39 am

Both critics are EW give it to The Social Network.

EW is also calling Breaking Bad the best TV show on the air and My Dark Twisted Fantasy the best album of the year. Call it the year of total consensus.
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Postby Damien » Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:25 am

Precious Doll wrote:Sight and Sound

1. The Social Network

Et tu, Sight and Sound?
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Postby Precious Doll » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:57 am

Sight and Sound

1. The Social Network
2. Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives
3. Another Year
4. Carlos
5. The Arbor
6. I Am Love
= Winter's Bone
8. The Autobiography of Nicolae Ceausescu
= Film socialisme
= Nostalgia for the Light
= Poetry
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Postby anonymous1980 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:19 am

Damien wrote:
Sabin wrote:Slant, collectively...

1. Dogtooth (Yorgos Lanthimos)
2. The Ghost Writer (Roman Polanski)
3. Lourdes (Jessica Hausner)
4. Everyone Else (Maren Ade)
5. Mother (Bong Joon-ho)
6. Scott Pilgrim vs. The World (Edgar Wright)
7. Vincere (Marco Bellocchio)
8. Wild Grass (Alain Resnais)
9. Carlos (Olivier Assayas)
10. Let Me In (Matt Reeves)

Just to be clear, Slant is saying that the two best American films of the year are Scott Pilgrim and Let Me In. I still need to see Lourdes, Vincere, and Carlos on their list.

Now,THIS is what a 10 Best List should look like. Idiosyncratic and reflecting one's personal taste, not a general herd mentality take on things.

You forgot to add: And no goddamn cartoons! :p

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Postby Eric » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:55 pm

Hah, swap out "not living in NYC" with "living in flyover country" (where it's not like we don't get some of these movies, but definitely not all of them and in many cases not until this time next year). But thoughts like that work against my move towards a transcendence of cinephiliac self, in terms of my soon to be former desire to be a tastemaker.

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Postby rain Bard » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:49 pm

Fernando lives here in the Bay Area, and is just as brilliant in person as in print. Finally met him (and Jon as well, who I believe recently moved away from the Bay?) this year at a couple of film festivals. Love that he picked the Resnais as his #1- think we might've been at the same screening.

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Postby Eric » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:39 pm

I love my Slant sisters and brothers but ... Damn, sometimes they make me feel like a reject for not living in NYC.

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Postby Greg » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:31 pm

Damien wrote:Now,THIS is what a 10 Best List should look like. Idiosyncratic and reflecting one's personal taste, not a general herd mentality take on things.

How do you know that someone's list is an example of following the herd vs. a coincidence of just happening to like most the year's most critically popular films? I have not gone to many films this year, as very few have interested me; and, a lot of the year-end films that I have read about and am interested in seeing (Black Swan, Winter's Bone, The King's Speech, etc.) have not opened yet in may area. So, I personally would only have a top 3 list, being:

1: The Social Network
2: Inception
3: Toy Story 3

This would put my list squarely within the critical consensus; but, I am not parroting what critics have said. This year my taste simply matches what the preponderance of critics have said.




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Postby Sabin » Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:14 pm

It's an aggregate list. Here are the individuals.


Ed Gonzalez:
1. Everyone Else
2. Secret Sunshine
3. The Ghost Writer
4. October Country
5. Prodigal Sons
6. Winter's Bone
7. Mother
8. 45365
9. The Social Network
10. Ondine

Honorable Mention: Around a Small Mountain, Bluebeard, The Crazies, Easier with Practice, The Human Centipede (The First Sequence), Let Me In, The Milk of Sorrow, Piranha 3D, Samson and Delilah, and Scott Pilgrim vs. the World

Nick Schager:
1. Lourdes
2. Everyone Else
3. Dogtooth
4. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
5. Secret Sunshine
6. Mother
7. October Country
8. The Social Network
9. Prodigal Sons
10. Winter's Bone

Honorable Mention: 45365, Bluebeard, Carlos, Enter the Void, Inside Job, NY Export: Opus Jazz, Ondine, Rare Exports: A Christmas Tale, The Strange Case of Angelica, White Material

Joseph Jon Lanthier:
1. Samson and Delilah
2. Greenberg
3. And Everything Is Going Fine
4. The Killer Inside Me
5. Dogtooth
6. Eccentricities of a Blond Hair Girl
7. A Prophet
8. Marwencol
9. White Material
10. Applause

Honorable Mention: Amer, The Ghost Writer, How to Train Your Dragon, The Human Centipede (The First Sequence), Mid-August Lunch, October Country, Rabbit Hole, Shutter Island, Wah Do Dem, and Waste Land

Andrew Schenker:
1. Our Beloved Month of August
2. Lourdes
3. Vincere
4. Ghost Town
5. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
6. Inside Job
7. The Ghost Writer
8. Hadewijch
9. Blue Valentine
10. Around a Small Mountain

Honorable Mention: 45365, Alamar, Boxing Gym, The Kids Are All Right, Last Train Home, The Milk of Sorrow, Mother, Ne Change Rien, The Strange Case of Angelica, and The Temptation of St. Tony

Bill Weber:
1. Wild Grass
2. Dogtooth
3. Mother
4. Carlos
5. DDR/DDR
6. Have You Heard from Johannesburg
7. The Illusionist
8. Everyone Else
9. Ne Change Rien
10. Vincere

Honorable Mention: Boxing Gym, Client 9: The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer, Ghost Town, The Ghost Writer, I Love You Phillip Morris, Let Me In, Lourdes, Marwencol, Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, and Winter's Bone

Fernando F. Croce:
1. Wild Grass
2. Ne Change Rien
3. Carlos
4. The Ghost Writer
5. Vincere
6. Alamar
7. Exit Through the Gift Shop
8. Vengeance
9. Let Me In
10. Last Train Home

Honorable Mention: Amer, Bluebeard, The Crazies, Everyone Else, A Film Unfinished, I Am Love, Lourdes, Mother, Restrepo, and White Material

Simon Abrams:
1. Dogtooth
2. Amer
3. Let Me In
4. Oceans
5. The Ghost Writer
6. Eccentricities of a Blond Hair Girl
7. Hadewijch
8. Life During Wartime
9. Lourdes
10. Black Swan

Honorable Mention: Anton Chekhov's The Duel, The Crazies, The Eclipse, How to Train Your Dragon, The Human Centipede (The First Sequence), Mid-August Lunch, Never Let Me Go, The Paranoids, Rare Exports: A Christmas Tale, and Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
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Postby Damien » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:56 pm

Sabin wrote:Slant, collectively...

1. Dogtooth (Yorgos Lanthimos)
2. The Ghost Writer (Roman Polanski)
3. Lourdes (Jessica Hausner)
4. Everyone Else (Maren Ade)
5. Mother (Bong Joon-ho)
6. Scott Pilgrim vs. The World (Edgar Wright)
7. Vincere (Marco Bellocchio)
8. Wild Grass (Alain Resnais)
9. Carlos (Olivier Assayas)
10. Let Me In (Matt Reeves)

Just to be clear, Slant is saying that the two best American films of the year are Scott Pilgrim and Let Me In. I still need to see Lourdes, Vincere, and Carlos on their list.

Now,THIS is what a 10 Best List should look like. Idiosyncratic and reflecting one's personal taste, not a general herd mentality take on things.
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Postby Sabin » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:39 pm

Slant, collectively...

1. Dogtooth (Yorgos Lanthimos)
2. The Ghost Writer (Roman Polanski)
3. Lourdes (Jessica Hausner)
4. Everyone Else (Maren Ade)
5. Mother (Bong Joon-ho)
6. Scott Pilgrim vs. The World (Edgar Wright)
7. Vincere (Marco Bellocchio)
8. Wild Grass (Alain Resnais)
9. Carlos (Olivier Assayas)
10. Let Me In (Matt Reeves)

Just to be clear, Slant is saying that the two best American films of the year are Scott Pilgrim and Let Me In. I still need to see Lourdes, Vincere, and Carlos on their list.
"If you are marching with white nationalists, you are by definition not a very nice person. If Malala Yousafzai had taken part in that rally, you'd have to say 'Okay, I guess Malala sucks now.'" ~ John Oliver

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Postby anonymous1980 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:16 am

Slant Magazine's list.

Unlike most lists, they're usually pretty interesting.

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Postby Damien » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:59 pm

Greg wrote:
The Original BJ wrote:
Greg wrote:
Damien wrote:2. Inside Job

Does anyone think, with Best Picture now in a field of 10, that Inside Job will be the first documentary nominated for Best Picture?

I watched Inside Job yesterday, and I can't even see it as a genuine threat for the Documentary Oscar. It's solid and rich with detail...but I can't imagine anyone being emotionally affected by it or attached to it the way I think voters' hearts will swoon for Waiting for 'Superman.'

I think Inside Job, dealing with the current financial collapse, might end up trumping Waiting For Superman, about the U.S. educational system, on the basis of the immediacy of its subject matter hitting much closer to home for many people. After all, it does no one any good to be well educated and trained for a job that does not exist.

I saw Inside Job the other day and found it quite tedious. Too many interviews with self-justifying villains who can't acknowledge that they are villains and mostly all saying the same thing. My eyes kept glazing over, as they do whenever I read anything related to financial markets (which is one reason I'm not rich :D )
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