Everything Is Great and Amazing

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Sabin » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:51 am

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Hoo boy. Mister Tee’s belief that things were going to start to happen a lot more quickly seems to be playing out.

No kidding. I've mentioned that I have money on Trump serving out his term before on this board. This is the first time where I've thought I'd be out money. To which I say, good.

Republicans are terrified as well. Voters may like the economy (for now) but they do not like that awesome tax cut they got. Let's play a new drinking game. For every Republican that gets elected to Congress, we all take a shot. At the end of the night, we all get to drive home soberly.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby The Original BJ » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:59 pm

Hoo boy. Mister Tee’s belief that things were going to start to happen a lot more quickly seems to be playing out.

The heap of trouble these folks are in just grows larger and larger by the day.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:28 am

A post-Helsinki Reuters poll finds 55% disapprove of Trump's handling of Russia while 37% approve with 8% having no opinion.

The only question should be why isn't the disapproval rating higher?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/majority-ame ... _test=1_16
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Heksagon » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:44 am

Greg wrote:Trump's recent SCOTUS pick has written that a sitting President should never be indicted. How convenient.

Don't worry, I'm sure Kavanaugh will reverse his opinion on that issue eventually - that is, as soon as a Democratic president is elected.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:01 pm

I guess this is what it took to wake some people up.

Frankly, nothing in his behavior today surprised me. It was more of the same bullshit he's been selling for the last two years. What is surprising is how many people are now believing that Putin does indeed have something on him. It's treason alright, but is the outrage on the right strong enough to support removal from office?
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:21 pm

To elaborate (earlier, I was too stunned to go on at greater length):

I think this moment is akin to the Saturday Night Massacre during Watergate -- a scandal has already been growing for months, but this causes it to metastasize. The speechlessness and shock from the TV pundits was amazing to watch -- Trump was, to begin with, incoherent (answering questions about Russian interference with nonsense about Hilary's server), and finally close to treasonous, taking Putin's word over that of the unanimous conclusion of his own intelligence community. Mueller'sindictments last Friday had already upped the ante substantially, but this puts us into what Bill Kristol (Bill Kristol!) labeled a crisis moment.

I'm not saying this means Trump is gone in the short term. Nixon survived almost ten months post the Saturday Night Massacre. But, from the time of the Massacre onward, there was a presumption of guilt against Nixon among a majority of the population (and, though they were careful not to articulate it, the press), and it made his eventual departure a matter of when rather than if. I think we're in the same place today.

I also think it could play out a lot uglier than Watergate. Trump's supporters have been listening to the equivalent of Radio Rwanda for decades now in Fox News and right-wing radio, and many of them will deny reality to their graves. And, unhappily, many of those people have a good number of guns. I fear for the next couple of years.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:42 am

Good frickin' god. Worse than we could even have imagined.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:09 pm

Trump's recent SCOTUS pick has written that a sitting President should never be indicted. How convenient.

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... -gift.html
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:25 am

Ah, so.

The original court was comprised of six justices. It has varied over the years, expanding and reducing the number of justices and was last changed in 1869 when it was set at 9.

We have 13 district courts so why not have 13 Supreme Court justices?

The best time to make the change would be, as Greg originally suggested, after the 2020 election when we, hopefully, will have a much more moderate, if not liberal, congress and president. Doing it while Trump and Pence are in power would be an exercise in futility.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby OscarGuy » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:15 am

The number of supreme court justices is not specified in the constitution, therefore, it's a legislative decision. It would probably require a veto-proof majority, though, because the R's wouldn't ever let it happen.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Heksagon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:04 am

The way in which the judges of the Supreme Court are appointed is not functioning properly in this political environment. No one predicted how partisan and politicized the court would become. Appointed-for-life offices don't belong to this century either. After the Electoral College, that's the second most obvious part of the U.S. Constitution that would need updating.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:58 am

Wouldn't that require a constitutional amendment ratified by two thirds of of the states?
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Mister Tee » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:20 pm

Greg wrote:As radical as it sounds, if a progressive President and Congress is elected in 2020; and, the Supreme Court rules the passed-and-signed legislation unconstitutional, I think it would then be the correct decision for the President and Senate to increase the number of Justices in the Supreme Court.


There are a lot of people who've never been anything close to radical -- or even especially lefty -- who would agree. Especially given the circumstances by which Gorsuch got his seat, not to mention the murkiness around the legitimacy of the 2018 vote.

Constitutional crisis used to be a fantastical term. No more.

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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Greg » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:09 pm

As radical as it sounds, if a progressive President and Congress is elected in 2020; and, the Supreme Court rules the passed-and-signed legislation unconstitutional, I think it would then be the correct decision for the President and Senate to increase the number of Justices in the Supreme Court.
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Re: Everything Is Great and Amazing

Postby Big Magilla » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:35 pm

This November's election will be decisive. Either things will change or we'll know for sure that the masses are either stupid or just don't care.
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